Hell - Eternal Torment or Annihilation...? (traditions, Gospel, doctrine, believe)

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Jesus teaches us to be humble, yet you are arrogant.

Calling a spade a spade is not a sign of a lack of humility.

Divine love corrects.
Human love would let people suffer forever and call it "love."

UR suffering results in kolasis (correction).
Its intensity and duration will be just the right amount for each person who needs it.

ET suffering is forever and blasphemes the character of God!!!

SALVATION OUT OF THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH

Here is a snippet from L. Ray Smith's exposition
A Scriptural Journey Through the Lake Burning with Fire and Brimstone, Which is the SECOND DEATH

"God’s all consuming SPIRITUAL FIRE will consume and burn up all the impurities in our life. These things MUST DIE.
And whether the person God subjects to His consuming fire has many good qualities or none, the person himself shall be purged, BY GOD’S ALL-CONSUMING SPIRITUAL FIRE!!!"
L. Ray Smith - The Lake of Fire - Part 1
L. Ray Smith - Lake of Fire - part 2
L. Ray Smith - Lake of Fire - Part 3
L. Ray Smith - Lake of Fire part 4

Here is a snippet from J. Preston Eby's
THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH

"To quote the timely words of Ray Prinzing once more: "Now - while we see the victory of the ultimate, a complete triumph over death, first death, second death, ALL DEATH to ultimately be brought to an end."
The Lake of Fire: The Prodigal Son; God Gains Attention;The Lake Of Fire;The Second Death;Not Hurt Of The Second Death;Tormented In The Presence Of The Lamb

Here is a snippet from James' Coram's
EONIAN FIRE AND JUDGING

"God disciplines those of whom He is fond (Heb.12:7-11; Rev.3:19), and He is fond of humanity (Titus 3:4). We can be sure that God will be doing all things well, exercising judgment founded upon His love."
biblical studies: Eonian Fire and Judging

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Here is a good example. Jesus teaches us to be humble, yet you are arrogant. Are you saying that Jesus told you to 'be humble' but He does not desire you to be humble?

Trust me, He told you to be humble, because He wants you to be humble. He did not force you to disobey His order, you CHOSE to disobey. It is His permissive desire for us to be humble. It is permissive, because we have the option to disobey, like you just did.

Just like Paul was arrogant when he told the Corinthians that they were carnally minded and spiritual babes, right?

1Cr 3:1-3
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?


There are many here who are more sensitive than i am,. and that is their gift. I am not one of them, i call it like i see it ... Like the apostles and Christ did ...


I believe you are just like the people Paul was speaking to in Corinth ... And that is why you teach that Christ failed to accomplish Gods desire and purpose to save all people, and why you teach that God cannot ever get what he desires, and will torture most of humanity for ever ... It is why you teach that torture is a good thing. After all, if eternal torture is the divine justice of God, then it must be a good thing, right? Or do you believe that what you call divine justice is an evil thing?

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776

Obama is you president, regardless of whter you agree with him or not ...

And Jesus is the savior of all people, whether they are believing it or not ...

Fine title, but not a promise of universal salvation.

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Good bye Roger. I pray that one day God will give you peace, joy and love.

Do you mean that you pray God will give him the opinion that torturing most of humanity for ever is peaceful and loving, and brings joy to those who believe in it?

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Fine title, but not a promise of universal salvation.

God wills that all mankind be saved (1 Timothy 2:4)

God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will (Ephesians 1:11)

As in Adam all are dying; thus also in Christ will all be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:22)

[Ironmaw1776]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Fine title, but not a promise of universal salvation.

Its not a promise, it is a stated fact. God IS the savior of all people. Thus all people ARE saved, though most people are not aware of it yet, and though the effects of it have not yet fully manifested in most people lives.

Obama is legally the president of the US, which means legally he presides over the united states, just like God is the savior of all people, because he has saved all people.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776

Just like Paul was arrogant when he told the Corinthians that they were carnally minded and spiritual babes, right?

OK, so you are saying Jesus DOES NOT desire you to be humble, and He DOES NOT desire you to love your neighbor?

It is a simple question, and nothing to do with sensitiveness. I am simply using you as a real life example.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Ironmaw1776

Do you mean that you pray God will give him the opinion that torturing most of humanity for ever is peaceful and loving, and brings joy to those who believe in it?

No, I pray that he will find the love he preaches, so that he can share it with others.

[joeallcomm]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Fine title, but not a promise of universal salvation.

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

OK, so you are saying Jesus DOES NOT desire you to be humble, and He DOES NOT desire you to love your neighbor?

It is a simple question, and nothing to do with sensitiveness. I am simply using you as a real life example.

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

No, I pray that he will find the love he preaches, so that he can share it with others.

Round-about....round-about...round-about. Why Sir Finn...are you cornered again??

Do you need "free will" explained to you again sir? It seems you are still struggling with this.

Ok....What is your definition of "freewill" Finn?

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by joeallcomm

Do you need "free will" explained to you again sir?

No, but you can answer the question since no one else will.