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Old 11-30-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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aionios zoe makes sense in every verse it is used instead of "eternal life". Furthermore the word 'eternal' DOES NOT make sense in every verse where it is used.
Here is a link that demontrates that fact in every case.
COMPARATIVE CONCORDANCE
Comparative Concordance of how the Greek words aion and aionios are translated in various Bible translations

 
Old 11-30-2010, 11:51 AM
 
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Just curious, who here has read Arthur Pink's "The Sovereignty of God"?

The Sovereignty of God

It is illuminating, even though it is from the Calvinist perspective.
 
Old 11-30-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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Here is a link that demontrates that fact in every case.
COMPARATIVE CONCORDANCE
Comparative Concordance of how the Greek words aion and aionios are translated in various Bible translations
Yes I've gone through that a couple years ago. From the link, this is the hypothesis:

EON ( aiwn ), the noun;
EON or AGE; an indefinite period.
All eons, however long or short, have a beginning and an end.
Eon cannot mean eternity, for the plural would be absurd.
Eonian is the adjective form. An adjective cannot have a greater force than its noun.
Therefore, if aion/eon means an indefinite period of time, aionios/eonian cannot mean eternity, eternal or for ever.


This can then be proved correct by objectively examining every usage of the word aion and aionios. NOTE it is important to do this study objectively (without any preconceived bias about hell) if you want to determine the truth.
 
Old 11-30-2010, 12:00 PM
 
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Excellent summation, Lego.
 
Old 11-30-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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Just curious, who here has read Arthur Pink's "The Sovereignty of God"?

The Sovereignty of God

It is illuminating, even though it is from the Calvinist perspective.
One of my all-time favorites.
 
Old 11-30-2010, 12:03 PM
 
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Just curious, who here has read Arthur Pink's "The Sovereignty of God"?

The Sovereignty of God

It is illuminating, even though it is from the Calvinist perspective.
I'm aware of some of its content and I understand it is very good in proving God's sovereignty.

legoman, here is a good rebuttle showing, in seven chapters, where Arthur Pink went wrong.
I don't know if you know about this one.

A Reply to "Universalism Refuted" - Part One

You can access the next chapter at the bottom of each page.

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Old 11-30-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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I'm aware of some of its content and I understand it is very good in proving God's sovereignty.
Yes, that it does. Definitely worth a read, but he does make some logical errors (its Calvinism after all!).

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legoman, here is good rebuttle showing, in seven chapters, where Arthur Pink went wrong.
I don't know if you know about this one.

A Reply to "Universalism Refuted" - Part One

You can access the next chapter at the bottom of each page.
Yes I have read it in the past. And of course Arthur Pink goes wrong where all go wrong - He doesn't understand the words 'eternal', 'hell', etc, 'all' does not mean 'all', etc; he doesn't understand God's loving nature; his pride gets in the way because he assumes he is one of the lucky ones; and worst of all he thinks God derives 'glory' from the endless torment of others. This is where the Calvinism comes in, and where Calvinism falls apart...
 
Old 11-30-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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And the more you write Finn, the more it is obvious that you desire most of humanity, and anyone who does not believe the way that you do, to be tortured for ever ...

The thought of countless billions of humans being tortured for ever obviously doesn't bother you in the slightest. Instead, you obviously believe it is a good thing, and that you in truth do not have the slightest understanding of what it means to love your neighbor, much less what it means to love your enemies.

God will deal with your hate in due time ...
Sigh....the judgment..... you say I am hateful and unloving because I believe the Bible.....some things never change. Are you loving? Is this how you show it?

Your desire, or my desire won't save anyone. Do you really think that if you desire something, then it becomes the reality?

I know I am right about this, and the Holy Spirity confirms me of it, but assuming one is right and the other one is wrong:

- If I am wrong, then everyone will be saved. That's wonderful.

- If you are wrong, everyone who listened to you will be lost forever.
 
Old 11-30-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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Yes I have read it in the past. And of course Arthur Pink goes wrong where all go wrong - He doesn't understand the words 'eternal', 'hell', etc, 'all' does not mean 'all', etc; he doesn't understand God's loving nature; his pride gets in the way because he assumes he is one of the lucky ones; and worst of all he thinks God derives 'glory' from the endless torment of others. This is where the Calvinism comes in, and where Calvinism falls apart...
Hmmm....pick the sections you like, and toss the rest. I know people who read the Bible that way, so why not other books too.
 
Old 11-30-2010, 12:42 PM
 
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Hmmm....pick the sections you like, and toss the rest. I know people who read the Bible that way, so why not other books too.
Maybe you should read it first Finn. Maybe you'll realize we don't have free will and become a Calvinist, since you seem to accept things blindly without reason.
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