Hell - Eternal Torment or Annihilation...? (paradise, myth, punishment, church)

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by rodgertutt

The reason I know none of my Greek scholars are JW is because all of mine are URs and JWs are annihilationists.

So you pick your translators based on whether or not they agree with your theory?

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

So you pick your translators based on whether or not they agree with your theory?

I pick my translators based on what I perceive glorifies God the most, and on the fact that most of the Christians closest to the time of Jesus for more than 500 years understood it that way until Augustine persuaded the the church council differently, as shown in my previous post #789.

One of the important tools for believing that the Bible teaches universal reconciliation is to use a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible. Here are many. The ones on line you don't even have to pay for.
CORRECT TRANSLATIONS ONLINE

CONCORDANT
Concordant Publishing; Concordant Version

YOUNG'S LITERAL
Revised Young's Literal Translation (RYLT)

MANY OTHER CORRECT TRANSLATIONS NOT ONLINE LISTED AT THE FOLLOWING THREE LINKS
An Analytical Study of Words - Undivided Version

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Bible Translations That Do Not Teach Eternal Torment

[rodgertutt]

Literal translations that probably are the better known ones include

Concordant Literal
Young's Literal
Rotherham's Emphasised
Bullingers's Companion Bible (footnotes)
Wilson's Diaglot
Clementson's
Scarlett's
Weymouth's (original)

Many more are listed in the links

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by rodgertutt

I pick my translators based on what I perceive glorifies God the most.

It sure sounds like you pick any translation which glorifies your theories.

So, exactly how long is age-during life that God promises to those who believe in Him? A year? Hundred years?

The original word - αἰώνιον aionion - is employed in the New Testament 66 times. Of these, in 51 instances it is used of the happiness of the righteous; in two, of God's existence; in six, of the church and the Messiah's kingdom; and in the remaining seven, of the future punishment of the wicked. If in these seven instances we attach to the word the idea of limited duration, consistency requires that the same idea of limited duration should be given it in the 51 cases of its application to the future glory of the righteous, and the two instances of its application to God's existence, and the six eases of its appropriation to the future reign of the Messiah and the glory and perpetuity of the church. But no one will presume to deny that in these instances it denotes unlimited duration, and therefore, in accordance with the sound laws of interpretation and of language itself, the same sense of unlimited duration must be given it when used of future punishment - Owen, in loc

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

So, exactly how long is age-during life that God promises to those who believe in Him? A year? Hundred years?

It will last until God's plan for the ages of time has been consummated.
Then the ages of time will collectively have come to an end.

THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY (Literal versus the KJV)
Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world

BIBLICAL CHART OF GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

But no one will presume to deny that in these instances it denotes unlimited duration,

That's exactly what we "presume" to deny.

Of course God is eternal, but that is not what the use of the word aionios is saying about Him.
God is the God of the eons.

THE EONS HAVE A BEGINNING
Literal Translation versus / King James Version

Heb.1:2 God made the eons / God made the worlds
I Cor. 2:7 before the eons / before the world
2Tim.1:9 before eonian times / before the world began

THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY
Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world

HOW MANY EONS ARE THERE?
Col.1:26 hid from eons Past / hid from ages
Lu. 20:34 this eon Present / this world
Eph. 2:7 eons to come Future / ages to come
A minimum of five eons indicated

THE PURPOSE OF THE EONS
Eph.3:8-11 purpose of the eons / eternal purpose
Eph. 1:9-1l; PhiI.2:9-l1; Col.1:l5-21; I Cor. 15:20-28

While the believer is enjoying aionion life, the unbeliever will experience kolasis aionion Matthew 25:46
(which means age-during corrective chastisement).

Like I said before
The argument was introduced by Augustine, and since his day incessantly repeated, that if aionios kolasis does not mean "endless punishment," then there is no security for the believer that aionios zoe means "endless life," and that he will enjoy the promise of endless happiness.

But Matt. 25:46 shows the "eonian chastisement" and "eonian life" are of the same duration-lasting during the eons, and when the eons end, as Scripture states they will (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 9:26), the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished, but life continues beyond the eons, as Paul teaches at 1 Cor. 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." That is, the last, the final one in order.

How will it be destroyed? First Corinthians 15:22 gives the answer:
"For as IN ADAM ALL are dying, even so IN CHRIST ALL shall be made alive."
Death is destroyed when ALL have been vivified, or made alive, IN CHRIST.
There will then be no more death. Just as life is destroyed by death, so death is destroyed by life.
Our present bodies are mortal and corruptible (1 Cor. 15:44-55),
but when mankind is made alive IN CHRIST they will be raised immortal and incorruptible.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by rodgertutt

It will last until God's plan for the ages of time has been consummated.
Then the ages of time will collectively have come to an end.

THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY (Literal versus the KJV)
Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world

BIBLICAL CHART OF GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.

So, the answer is that you have no idea how long eternal life is. Your view makes God's promise of eternal life very vague to say the least.

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

So, the answer is that you have no idea how long eternal life is. Your view makes God's promise of eternal life very vague to say the least.

The time of the ages will last exactly as long as God wants it to.
He has the timing of it perfectly under His control.
The end result will be the saving of everyone who needs saving.

GOD'S PLAN OF THE AGES
God's Plan Of The Ages; The Purpose Of God In This Age; Redemption In Two Parts; As In Adam - So In Christ; Every Man In His Own Order; All Things In Subjection; God All In All

[Eusebius]

We don't have eternal life because we get eonian life or "age-during life". We get "eternal" life due to putting on immortality per 1 Corinthians 15. When the eons end there will no longer be eonian life since eonian life is the life pertaining to the eons.
Unbelievers will not get eonian life or "age-during life."

[legoman]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

We don't have eternal life because we get eonian life or "age-during life". We get "eternal" life due to putting on immortality per 1 Corinthians 15. When the eons end there will no longer be eonian life since eonian life is the life pertaining to the eons.
Unbelievers will not get eonian life or "age-during life."

Exactly, "eonian life" is not living forever. That is why we also must put on immortality.

This has been explained to Finn numerous times but he doesn't listen.