Walking out of homosexuality (doctrine, believers, scriptures, Moses)

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

God intended for sexual relations between 1 man and 1 women \ husband and wife. Anything else is calling something evil.."good".

Woe to those who call evil - "good" and good - "evil".





Homosexuality is looked at as

• shameful
• perversion
• the abandoned of natural relations (in other words, it's unnatural)
• indecent
• a depraved mind
• futile thinking
• sexual impurity
• sexually immoral

if the truth of God's Word means anything....anymore.


When the truth is exchanged for a lie, somethings are not understandable anymore. I don't want to think that you are decieved, but God's Word is very specific. They're not going to be UR by some non- accountable, let everybody come in God that has no demands. God has a TOS (terms of salvation)

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

This is all your interpretation of things, and the original language does not say "homosexual offenders".....things are not so black and white, as I have been learning since my "conversion" to what you see as a lie. I will not condemn, I will not judge, I WILL NOT sit back and point my finger at what I "perceive" to be wrong simply because I haven't taken the time to investigate what the Bible REALLY says about it.

In one place the scriptures seem to condemn homosexuality as translated into English, in another place it seems to be embracing the "relationship" between two men. It is my own personal opinion that the English Bible cannot be trusted....there are too many contradictions. That's just what I believe. Other than the story of Jesus Christ, I'm not taking anything at face value until I've studied the original languages. I'm still studying this but it infuriates me that you and ILNC tag team to deliberately condemn when you haven't even bothered to listen to what these people are saying. They are struggling, and they need love and need to be listened to. Are their supposed sins any greater than yours? No, I think not.

The more seasoned Universalists have covered the scriptures you quoted time and time again as to what it means to not inherit the kingdom of God. Why won't you listen? Why won't you see? It boggles my mind now to see the fundamentalist stubbornness and condemnation. I'm so ashamed that I ever behaved that way.

I'm more concerned about the plight of homosexuals in our society and these young people taking their lives because of bullying for being gay. Where's your compassion? Where's the love of Christ in you? I know what is in your minds because I used to think that way. "Oh it's sad, but what's even sadder is those young people will be burning in hell forever for taking their lives"........OMG!! Can you not see how twisted this ET belief is? Those young people are DONE suffering, and they are now in the loving arms of the Father who created them. Aarghhh, I just need to go to bed.I won't ever pretend to know what a gay person goes through but I sure can understand their frustration.

[Dewdrop93]

Originally Posted by Ilene Wright

This is all your interpretation of things, and the original language does not say "homosexual offenders".....things are not so black and white, as I have been learning since my "conversion" to what you see as a lie. I will not condemn, I will not judge, I WILL NOT sit back and point my finger at what I "perceive" to be wrong simply because I haven't taken the time to investigate what the Bible REALLY says about it.

In one place the scriptures seem to condemn homosexuality as translated into English, in another place it seems to be embracing the "relationship" between two men. It is my own personal opinion that the English Bible cannot be trusted....there are too many contradictions. That's just what I believe. Other than the story of Jesus Christ, I'm not taking anything at face value until I've studied the original languages. I'm still studying this but it infuriates me that you and ILNC tag team to deliberately condemn when you haven't even bothered to listen to what these people are saying. They are struggling, and they need love and need to be listened to. Are their supposed sins any greater than yours? No, I think not.

The more seasoned Universalists have covered the scriptures you quoted time and time again as to what it means to not inherit the kingdom of God. Why won't you listen? Why won't you see? It boggles my mind now to see the fundamentalist stubbornness and condemnation. I'm so ashamed that I ever behaved that way.

I'm more concerned about the plight of homosexuals in our society and these young people taking their lives because of bullying for being gay. Where's your compassion? Where's the love of Christ in you? I know what is in your minds because I used to think that way. "Oh it's sad, but what's even sadder is those young people will be burning in hell forever for taking their lives"........OMG!! Can you not see how twisted this ET belief is? Those young people are DONE suffering, and they are now in the loving arms of the Father who created them. Aarghhh, I just need to go to bed.I won't ever pretend to know what a gay person goes through but I sure can understand their frustration.

Great post!

[.sparrow.]

Ilene, I feel the love and compassion in your words.
Such an urgent need there is, in this world... for love and compassion.
thank you for posting what you did.
peace sis,
sparrow

[Robert M Prince]

Originally Posted by .sparrow.

Ilene, I feel the love and compassion in your words.
Such an urgent need there is, in this world... for love and compassion.
thank you for posting what you did.
peace sis,
sparrow

Sparrow,
Romans Chapter 1:
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Homosexuality is definitely described as sinful by the Apostle Paul, and Christ told the apostoes, luke !0:[16] He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me; also John 13:[20] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
So if we disregard the words of the Apostles, it is as if we are disregarding Christ Himself.
Homosexuality is certainly not any more sinful than adultery, fornication, lying or any other willful sin. There is no excuse for harrassing, bullying, or assaulting a person who is gay. If we show anything other than love and compassion for the sinner, we are no better than the sinner, and are guilty of sin ourselves. Jesus Himself did not condemn the woman who was caught in the act of adultery. When the Pharisees told him that, according to Moses, she should be stoned to death, He paused and wrote on the ground, then said, "Let him that is without sin cast the first stone." When the crowd walked out, He (who Himself was without sin and could have cast the stone) said, "Neither do I condemn thee. Go and sin no more" - John chapter 8.

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

God intended for sexual relations between 1 man and 1 women \ husband and wife. Anything else is calling something evil.."good".

Woe to those who call evil - "good" and good - "evil".

Amen, brother twin.spin! This perverse generation is soon to experience judgment that pales in comparison to Sodom and Gomorrah.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Amen, brother twin.spin! This perverse generation is soon to experience judgment that pales in comparison to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Amen to that!

Galatians 6:7-8
"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life."

"destruction" is not heaven eventually
"destruction" is not a "ah...it's not fair after all, I really meant to UR you"
"destruction" comes to those who please their sinful nature ..the opposite result of eternal life.

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Amen, brother twin.spin! This perverse generation is soon to experience judgment that pales in comparison to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yeah, better get out of religion while you still can.

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Amen, brother twin.spin! This perverse generation is soon to experience judgment that pales in comparison to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Scgraham, I would be careful if I were you. Please tell me Sodom's worst crimes, according to scripture.

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Amen to that!

Galatians 6:7-8
God cannot be mocked.

He can be mocked, twin.spin, but not for long, though the religious system on this planet has gotten very good at it. Romans 2:24. As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

Lake of fire series:

Who are they who almost deceive the VERY ELECT and DECEIVE MANY?

Who are the "MANY" today who, (1) Teach and preach in the name of Jesus Christ? (2) Cast out demons in the name of Jesus Christ? (3) Do MANY (not a few, but many) WONDERFUL WORKS (not evils works, but good and wonderful works), in the name of Jesus Christ? Who? The Russians? The Chinese? The Muslims? The Hindus? The Confucianists? The Buddhists? The Shintoists? The Zoroastrians? The Jews? The QUARTER BILLION Ethnic Religionists? The HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION Atheists? Do ANY of these worldwide religions "teach, preach, cast out demons, and do many wonderful works IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST?" No, they don’t!


Well then, WHO ARE THESE "MANY" who do these things?


http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by herefornow

Scgraham, I would be careful if I were you. Please tell me Sodom's worst crimes, according to scripture.

Going after strange flesh. It is written.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[herefornow]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Going after strange flesh. It is written.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Try again.