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Old 10-19-2010, 06:13 AM
 
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The question is:

If I'm a good person my whole life, I love and care for my wife and family, I teach my children to respect others and to do the right thing and I help those less fortunate than myself. Why then does God need me to believe in him to be saved? It seems wrong that a loving God would send a good soul to hell just for their disbelief.

And please no quotes from the Bible as a way to answer my question.
That's just the easy way out.
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The question is:

If I'm a good person my whole life, I love and care for my wife and family, I teach my children to respect others and to do the right thing and I help those less fortunate than myself. Why then does God need me to believe in him to be saved? It seems wrong that a loving God would send a good soul to hell just for their disbelief.

And please no quotes from the Bible as a way to answer my question.
That's just the easy way out.
God is the creator of the universe, and he will do as he pleases with his creation. He made it crystal clear that he will save those who belive in Him, and those who do not belive will perish. None of us deserve to be saved, but he promised to save those who believe anyway. Isn't that great? That is His law, and if he suddenly decided to change His law, it would make Him a liar, but God is incapable of lying.

As for the "nice" people: God says that unless you are "nice" in order to Glorify God, then your niceness is nothing but dirty rags in his eyes. You cannot Glorify God unless you believe in Him, so it is impossible for an unbeliever to do anything to glorify God, and their niceness means nothing to God.
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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God is the creator of the universe, and he will do as he pleases with his creation. He made it crystal clear that he will save those who belive in Him, and those who do not belive will perish. None of us deserve to be saved, but he promised to save those who believe anyway. Isn't that great? That is His law, and if he suddenly decided to change His law, it would make Him a liar, but God is incapable of lying.

As for the "nice" people: God says that unless you are "nice" in order to Glorify God, then your niceness is nothing but dirty rags in his eyes. You cannot Glorify God unless you believe in Him, so it is impossible for an unbeliever to do anything to glorify God, and their niceness means nothing to God.
my trouble is i wouldn't even want to be up in heaven with a god like this. and all i get to do up there is glorify him? talk about a vain god. i can't stand those hour long singing sessions at the mega churches. doing that for the rest of eternity might as well be hell!
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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my trouble is i wouldn't even want to be up in heaven with a god like this. and all i get to do up there is glorify him? talk about a vain god. i can't stand those hour long singing sessions at the mega churches. doing that for the rest of eternity might as well be hell!
That is your choise, because God will not force anyone to heaven.
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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my trouble is i wouldn't even want to be up in heaven with a god like this. and all i get to do up there is glorify him? talk about a vain god. i can't stand those hour long singing sessions at the mega churches. doing that for the rest of eternity might as well be hell!
Yea, having joy and love for eternity sucks.

And where is it written that all people do on the new earth is sing?
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:11 AM
 
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That is your choise, because God will not force anyone to heaven.
Your first post contradicts this one, Finn..

The truth is, no one believes in God without His help. Man is deaf and blind to spiritual things, and that includes me and you. Without God, we are lost. No one is good enough (I think that's where you were wanting to go with the dirty rags bit..); God put us here, and God will get us into heaven.
Bank on it.

The early church never preached hell, and neither should we. If God does indeed judge us, it will be to help us, not hurt us.

Otherwise, how can the scripture be true: "His ways are ABOVE our ways, and His thoughts are ABOVE our thoughts."

The parts where Jesus talks about "perishing" also pertain to this life. His Life is for now, and perishing is also present tense. It is God who saves us, not we ourselves. HE opens our hearts, it has nothing to do with our "spiritual capabilities."

Blessings,
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:19 AM
 
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The question is:

If I'm a good person my whole life, I love and care for my wife and family, I teach my children to respect others and to do the right thing and I help those less fortunate than myself. Why then does God need me to believe in him to be saved? It seems wrong that a loving God would send a good soul to hell just for their disbelief.

And please no quotes from the Bible as a way to answer my question.
That's just the easy way out.

Why is G-d always spoken about in the Christian view. There are other views of G-d.
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:26 AM
 
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The question is:

If I'm a good person my whole life, I love and care for my wife and family, I teach my children to respect others and to do the right thing and I help those less fortunate than myself. Why then does God need me to believe in him to be saved? It seems wrong that a loving God would send a good soul to hell just for their disbelief.

And please no quotes from the Bible as a way to answer my question.
That's just the easy way out.


Are you perfect in every way? (Even in your thought processes) If not, you cannot even enter into the presence of God. God made us perfect in the beginning, but we fell because we thought we knew better than Him. The only way we can be restored is if God makes us perfect again. That is why He became a Man, lived the perfect life, then took our sins upon the cross. Those who receive Jesus into their hearts, receives His perfection, and we give Him our sins. Once everything is said and done, we will receive new bodies fit to be in God's full presence.


For those who don't receive Jesus' life, retain their sins. Since God made us to be eternal beings, you have to be somewhere for the rest of eternity, where God's presence is not there. You will also be judged for your sins, which are more than anyone one person could number. (When you add in yeilding to evil thoughts, and doing evil actions, with all the years that you lived, your sins could be in the millions. And only one of those sins is enough to condemn you.)
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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my trouble is i wouldn't even want to be up in heaven with a god like this. and all i get to do up there is glorify him? talk about a vain god. i can't stand those hour long singing sessions at the mega churches. doing that for the rest of eternity might as well be hell!
I agree!! Any higher power who is supposedly loving, that would then demand worship and demand we follow his rules or , which by the way the first four are all about him,or you burn in hell, clearly is not worthy of anything. I would think a truly worthy creator would love all unconditionally, and wouldn't have to threaten to be worshiped. Seems more the definition of an evil dictator to me.
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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The question is:

If I'm a good person my whole life, I love and care for my wife and family, I teach my children to respect others and to do the right thing and I help those less fortunate than myself. Why then does God need me to believe in him to be saved? It seems wrong that a loving God would send a good soul to hell just for their disbelief.

And please no quotes from the Bible as a way to answer my question.
That's just the easy way out.
A belief in God is not necessary in this material life. If all the above is true, you are far better than most people, even those who claim to be true christians who believe that Jesus has saved them from their sins. What men perceive to be sins aren't necessarily sins to God. If you love and are loved in return and you leave this world with others knowing of your goodness, you have done a great service to God and each other. All God has asked us to do is love one another. No belief is necessary to love.

I do believe that once a nonbeliever passes on and discovers the truth of the spirit world for themselves, they will progress as much as any other person who has believed in God their entire lives.

No worries. We were sent here to enjoy this world. There is no joy when we worry and fret over things. Just be Love to each other and you'll have conquered the whole world.

God believes in us even if we don't believe in Him. He adores and loves the nonbeliever as much as the believer.

Last edited by Reverend1111; 10-19-2010 at 07:40 AM.. Reason: addition.
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