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Old 10-23-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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Default Should Christians Pledge Fraternities/Sororities?

Many professing Christians are involved in a fraternity or sorority. Should you, as a Christian, be involved in such organizations? You have probably asked yourself this question before you pledged if you are in a fraternity or sorority already. So let's see what the bible says about this, and you judge for yourself.

Before I continue, the secret orders would disagree with me and would argue that they aren't doing anything satanic or demonic. It's an organization that supports brotherhood and sisterhood and for helping with gaining employment etc. They believe that you don’t need all the facts before making a decision on whether or not to join their fraternities or sororities. I know this because you don’t get all the facts until AFTER you become a member of these organizations. This is why these organizations are sometimes referred to as ‘secret societies.’ So for those of you who already have joined, it is too late to decide whether or not you want to join an organization AFTER you have already become a member.

But the first point that I would like to make here concerns the swearing of oaths. This is a practice required by all these fraternities and sororities as a pre-requisite prior to initiation. Let see what the Scriptures teach on swearing an oath.

But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Matthew 5:34-37 KJV

But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
James 5:12 KJV

From reading the Word of God in the above two verses, it can be plainly understood that Christians are not to swear oaths at all. Their communication is to be ‘yes’ or ‘no’ and not more than this. Swearing an oath is to go further than your ‘yes’ or ‘no’ and bind yourself by something you deem greater. This is clearly forbidden by the above texts. Now to go to the extreme and swear upon God’s Name or by God at all demonstrates either willful disobedience of these texts or ignorance concerning the meaning of them.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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Um... so can Christians not serve on a jury or give testimony at a trial or hold a public office or any of the myriad other things that require swearing an oath?
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:50 AM
 
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Numbers 6 explains the Nazirite vow.

St. Paul took this oath in Acts 15. He was still under that vow in Acts 18:18 and again in Acts 21:17-24

Everytime you sign a personal check, you are declaring that money is in your account to cover that check.

Everytime you endorse the back of a check, you are declaring that you have rightful claim to that money.

What about swearing an oath to our nation's flag? I attend meetings where I am required to swear to oath to our nation.

As a Boy Scout I had to swear an oath.

I served multiple enlistments in the US Navy, each of them started with swearing an oath.

I was a Law Enforcement officer and had to swear an oath there.

Every year I sign a 1040, my signature is to a written oath statement declaring that all paperwork included with the 1040 is true to the best of my knowledge.



Antredd - do you avoid each of these oaths?
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:26 PM
 
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Numbers 6 explains the Nazirite vow.

St. Paul took this oath in Acts 15. He was still under that vow in Acts 18:18 and again in Acts 21:17-24

Everytime you sign a personal check, you are declaring that money is in your account to cover that check.

Everytime you endorse the back of a check, you are declaring that you have rightful claim to that money.

What about swearing an oath to our nation's flag? I attend meetings where I am required to swear to oath to our nation.

As a Boy Scout I had to swear an oath.

I served multiple enlistments in the US Navy, each of them started with swearing an oath.

I was a Law Enforcement officer and had to swear an oath there.

Every year I sign a 1040, my signature is to a written oath statement declaring that all paperwork included with the 1040 is true to the best of my knowledge.



Antredd - do you avoid each of these oaths?
I was speaking about taking an oath or pledge to an organization that doesn't glorify God. Jesus said, swear not at all " (Matt. 5:34). If I quote Matthew 5:33-36 " I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by the heaven, for it is the throne of God; nor by the earth, for it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King; Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, for thou canst not make one hair white or black... "

One verse of the Bible taken alone can be easily misapplied. In the case of swearing and oaths, we find the following in other verses.

Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed with an oath... " (Heb. 6:17).

In his second letter to the Corinthians Paul said, " I call God for a witness upon my soul.... " (1:23).

When defending his record to the Galatians, the Apostle said, " Now touching the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not... " (Gal. 1:20)
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In these passages, we find God placing himself under an oath, and Paul calling God as his witness. These passage clearly demonstrate that not all oaths are sinful and wrong. What then should we conclude?

We should not engage in silly, frivolous oaths for this takes God’s name in vain. We should never offer an insincere or dishonest oath that is designed to deceive, an oath which we have no intention of honoring. However, there are some situations so important and so serious that an oath is appropriate.

For example when an elected official takes his oath of office, when we testify in a court of law, when we are sworn into a government job such as the military or law-enforcement.

I am not arguing that all oaths are sinful and must be avoided because I would be saying that Paul sinned and that Jesus quote is contradicting God's Word.

Christians should live with such honesty and truthfulness that no one will demand our oath. We should never deceive another by using a hollow oath. A simple yes or no should be a sufficient answer for most of life’s questions, but pledging to an organization, any including a religion that doesn't glorify God is what I am addressing in this thread. I'm sorry for not elaborating that more.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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My mom was in a religious sorority in college. Is that okay by your standards?
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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My mom was in a religious sorority in college. Is that okay by your standards?
I see where this is going. I am not here to debate what I think what you think or what my standards are. I quoted Scriptures for you to read for yourself in regard to taking oaths, and whether or not ALL oaths that we take are scripturally sound. I can just give you the word of God and let you decide for yourself, how is that?
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:57 PM
 
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I just don't understand what the deal is with sororities or fraternities and why you are telling people that they aren't good Christians if they join them. Doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I was never in one - but my husband was. He went to a Southern Baptist college - so most of the people there were Christians and most of the people were in a sorority or fraternity. I don't think this makes them bad Christians. It was really important to some of them - a big part of their lives where they forged lasting friendships. I'm not going to judge them and say they were bad Christians or bad people for joining. That just seems kind of silly to me.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:04 PM
 
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I just don't understand what the deal is with sororities or fraternities and why you are telling people that they aren't good Christians if they join them. Doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I was never in one - but my husband was. He went to a Southern Baptist college - so most of the people there were Christians and most of the people were in a sorority or fraternity. I don't think this makes them bad Christians. It was really important to some of them - a big part of their lives where they forged lasting friendships. I'm not going to judge them and say they were bad Christians or bad people for joining. That just seems kind of silly to me.
You are assuming that I am saying people are bad christians for being in a sorority. I NEVER said that anyone is a bad christian for joining a Greek organization nor is it wrong if a christian joined or, has been in one, or is currently in one. But I am saying this, check out the history/roots of those Greek organizations, and you will learn something about their roots. I leave it at that.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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I am also a member of a fraternity.

One of the oldest frats.

It requires of each petitioner a stated belief in a singular deity. And it encourages members to be active in each of their denominations [Christian, Jew, or Muslim].

Many of my frat brothers are ministers or deacons in their churches.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:57 PM
 
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I was speaking about taking an oath or pledge to an organization that doesn't glorify God.
Okay I can see that.



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... In these passages, we find God placing himself under an oath, and Paul calling God as his witness. These passage clearly demonstrate that not all oaths are sinful and wrong. What then should we conclude?

We should not engage in silly, frivolous oaths for this takes God’s name in vain.

We should never offer an insincere or dishonest oath that is designed to deceive, an oath which we have no intention of honoring.

However, there are some situations so important and so serious that an oath is appropriate.
I agree.



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... For example [1] when an elected official takes his oath of office, [2] when we testify in a court of law, when we are sworn into a government job such as [3] the military, or [4] law-enforcement.
I have done some of those #1, #3, #4



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... I am not arguing that all oaths are sinful and must be avoided because I would be saying that Paul sinned and that Jesus quote is contradicting God's Word.

Christians should live with such honesty and truthfulness that no one will demand our oath. We should never deceive another by using a hollow oath. A simple yes or no should be a sufficient answer for most of life’s questions, but pledging to an organization, any including a religion that doesn't glorify God is what I am addressing in this thread. I'm sorry for not elaborating that more.
I can see that.

I have often considered the oath that we were taught as children 'pledging allegiance to the flag'. I recite it often at various events; that flag represents an organization that rarely glorifies God.
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