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Old 10-30-2010, 01:52 PM
 
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Why do the Abraham religions not use Godís true name?

Ex 3; 13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

God is given many names by Christians and Muslims and the other Abrahamic faiths.


Yet the Bible says that I Am or I AM THAT I AM is the true and eternal name of God.
Could it be that the Church or Mosque fathers do not want people to recognize the Gnostic implications of the God within being recognized by the rank and file?

Is that a form of deception?

Is Godís true name, I Am and why are we not using it?

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Further, while speaking of names and titles.

"I, even I am the LORD and beside me there is no Saviour." Is.43:11

If God is insisting that no one but himself is ever to be called ďsaviour,Ē then He and His inspired Bible writers should never have called anyone else by that exclusive title.

Why then is Jesus, who is not the Lord, called saviour?
He should not be unless you buy into that ridiculous trinity doctrine.

Regards
DL
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Old 10-30-2010, 02:40 PM
 
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Why do the Abraham religions not use Godís true name?

Ex 3; 13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

God is given many names by Christians and Muslims and the other Abrahamic faiths.


Yet the Bible says that I Am or I AM THAT I AM is the true and eternal name of God.
Could it be that the Church or Mosque fathers do not want people to recognize the Gnostic implications of the God within being recognized by the rank and file?

Is that a form of deception?

Is Godís true name, I Am and why are we not using it?

===============================

Further, while speaking of names and titles.

"I, even I am the LORD and beside me there is no Saviour." Is.43:11

If God is insisting that no one but himself is ever to be called ďsaviour,Ē then He and His inspired Bible writers should never have called anyone else by that exclusive title.

Why then is Jesus, who is not the Lord, called saviour?
He should not be unless you buy into that ridiculous trinity doctrine.

Regards
DL
Jesus Christ IS the Lord just as God the Father is the Lord. They are two different Persons within the trinity and are both Called Yah-weh - Jehovah - I AM.

When all three Persons of the Godhead are referred to, the plural Elohim is used. Jehovah can refer to any one of the Person's of the trinity.

But in the English, we generally say God. Or Lord.
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Old 10-30-2010, 02:50 PM
 
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Jesus Christ IS the Lord just as God the Father is the Lord. They are two different Persons within the trinity and are both Called Yah-weh - Jehovah - I AM.

When all three Persons of the Godhead are referred to, the plural Elohim is used. Jehovah can refer to any one of the Person's of the trinity.

But in the English, we generally say God. Or Lord.
Few call Jesus Lord and especially few do so in the Bible. Jesus himself also denies being God often enough.

Yes and ignoring the name that God indicated was his true name. I know what you are doing, I am asking why you ignore God's true name.

As to the trinity, it was not belived or added in till about 340 CE. It is a church doctrine that has been argued and poorly defined ever since.Moderator cut: insult

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DL

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Old 10-30-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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Why do the Abraham religions not use Godís true name?

Ex 3; 13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

God is given many names by Christians and Muslims and the other Abrahamic faiths.


Yet the Bible says that I Am or I AM THAT I AM is the true and eternal name of God.
Could it be that the Church or Mosque fathers do not want people to recognize the Gnostic implications of the God within being recognized by the rank and file?

Is that a form of deception?

Is Godís true name, I Am and why are we not using it?

===============================

Further, while speaking of names and titles.

"I, even I am the LORD and beside me there is no Saviour." Is.43:11

If God is insisting that no one but himself is ever to be called ďsaviour,Ē then He and His inspired Bible writers should never have called anyone else by that exclusive title.

Why then is Jesus, who is not the Lord, called saviour?
He should not be unless you buy into that ridiculous trinity doctrine.

Regards
DL
Jewish people believe that God's true name should not be said when one is not doing something holy such as praying.
Another issue that it is not clear what the real pronunciation is of God's real name as in Hebrew all letters are consonants and the vowels which are lines and dots under the letters are missing when God's name is written.
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Old 10-30-2010, 03:36 PM
 
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Few call Jesus Lord and especially few do so in the Bible. Jesus himself also denies being God often enough.

Yes and ignoring the name that God indicated was his true name. I know what you are doing, I am asking why you ignore God's true name.

As to the trinity, it was not belived or added in till about 340 CE. It is a church doctrine that has been argued and poorly defined ever since. Shove that stupid notion.

Regards
DL
Jesus never denied being God even once. Luke 18:19 was not a denial of His deity. He in fact indicated that He was God. But He didn't make it so clear that He never would have been crucified, because He Had to go to the cross. Had He proven beyond doubt that He was God, the crucifixcion never would have happened.

It's not that God's true name is being ignored. God is just simply usually referred to as God. God usually takes in all three Persons of the trinity. The name Elohim which is plural is translated as God. The name Jehovah would stress His Oneness, while Elohim stresses His plurality of Persons within the Godhead. I generally refer to God the Father as 'Father'.

The trinity is revealed in both the Old and the New Testaments. As it happens, I will soon be doing a thread showing the trinity from the Old Testament.

Are you a Jehovah's witness?

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Old 10-30-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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Why do the Abraham religions not use God’s true name?

Ex 3; 13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

God is given many names by Christians and Muslims and the other Abrahamic faiths.


Yet the Bible says that I Am or I AM THAT I AM is the true and eternal name of God.
Could it be that the Church or Mosque fathers do not want people to recognize the Gnostic implications of the God within being recognized by the rank and file?

Is that a form of deception?

Is God’s true name, I Am and why are we not using it?

===============================

Further, while speaking of names and titles.

"I, even I am the LORD and beside me there is no Saviour." Is.43:11

If God is insisting that no one but himself is ever to be called “saviour,” then He and His inspired Bible writers should never have called anyone else by that exclusive title.

Why then is Jesus, who is not the Lord, called saviour?
He should not be unless you buy into that ridiculous trinity doctrine.

Regards
DL
I "believe" the names that the Creator gave were according to the covenant that he was effecting at the time...
To Abraham, his name was El Shaddai (God Almighty...Gen. 17:1) when he spoke of multitude of nations and to Moses, YHWH (key) when he was about to lead them to the promised land. (Exodus 6:3)
I AM THAT I AM is the culmination of all that he is.

And these were the "only" two instances where God "himself" revealed his titles.

imho
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Old 10-30-2010, 04:37 PM
 
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<< Jehovah can refer to any one of the Person's of the trinity. >

That is not true- the name Jehovah only refers to the One True God Himself - who is no part of any trinity. Psalm 83:18
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Old 10-30-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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<< Jehovah can refer to any one of the Person's of the trinity. >

That is not true- the name Jehovah only refers to the One True God Himself - who is no part of any trinity. Psalm 83:18
I will soon be doing a thread showing the trinity from the Old Testament. The true God is a triune being who is a united One.
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Old 10-30-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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Why do the Abraham religions not use God’s true name?
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Yet the Bible says that I Am or I AM THAT I AM is the true and eternal name of God.
"I, even I am the LORD and beside me there is no Saviour." Is.43:11
If God is insisting that no one but himself is ever to be called “saviour,” then He and His inspired Bible writers should never have called anyone else by that exclusive title.
Why then is Jesus, who is not the Lord, called saviour?
Regards
DL
You need to get saved and know the saviour Lord Jesus Christ In Luke 1: 31-33 The Lord God promised us his new saviour.......`` And behold thou shall conceive in thy womb and bring forth a son and shall call his name JESUS... He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest and the Lord God shall give the throne of his father David , And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever and his kingdom there shall be no end``........
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Old 10-30-2010, 05:59 PM
 
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<< Jehovah can refer to any one of the Person's of the trinity. >

That is not true- the name Jehovah only refers to the One True God Himself - who is no part of any trinity. Psalm 83:18
And I believe that Jehovah refers to the pre-mortal Jesus Christ, who is part of the Godhead of the Bible, and not the Trinity of the 4th century Creeds. The name I use to refer to His Father (i.e. our Father in Heaven), is Elohim. Besides being the name by which He was known before the creation of the world, Elohim is also a plural word and a title. (Just thought I'd mention that, in case anybody felt the need to correct me. I do know the meaning of the word, so I'll save you the trouble.)
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