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How about just laying attention to the verbs and adjectives with regards to elohim...
Shhh, they do not want to know that while Elohim is a plural noun it only carries the plural connotation when a plural verb, adjective, etc is associated with it.
Example in English is the word "Deer" a plural noun.
We can say:
Look at those Deer
or
Look at that Deer.
In Hebrew in the OT, Elohim used of the True God always uses a singular modifier. No Trinity here at all, but their teachers cheerfully falsely claim it is there. And the teachers know better.
You're confusing Tri-theism with the doctrine of the Trinity. Tri-thism is the doctrine that there are three gods who comprise the Trinity. Trinitarianism on the other hand recognizes that there is one God who exists in three persons. A distinction you probably couldn't care less about.
You're confusing Tri-theism with the doctrine of the Trinity. Tri-thism is the doctrine that there are three gods who comprise the Trinity. Trinitarianism on the other hand recognizes that there is one God who exists in three persons. A distinction you probably couldn't care less about.
I wasn't being concerned with verbs and adjectives My point is that the trinity religions are deceiving their people by saying Elohim = Gods for YHWH) it doesn't.
Just like "ma'im" means water and not waters...And many other words as such...However, while Elohim is a plural when used to denote multiple gods, when it is used for the King of the Universe, it is singular and one telling clue is the fact that singular verbs and adjectives are employed with it, as opposed to the other references to pagan gods where the verbs and adjectives are plural...It is easy when you can read Hebrew...
Hebrew translating rule for--ELOHIM= Never plural when used for the true living God--trinities are right to use it as plural for their false god.
It isn't even Hebrew translating rules, there are non, it is simply understanding Hebrew and what is plural and what is singular...Simple as that...Learn Hebrew and read it for yourself...
Mashlomekh vs mashlomkha [How are you or lit: What's your peace?]...Which one is talking to a woman and which one is talking to a man?...To translate it into English you wouldn't know, but a Hebrew would know automatically what gender is being addressed...
again, "the Father and I are ONE", "he who has seen me has seen the Father" "Father glorify me with the glory I had WITH you from the beginning...", "I solemnly assure you before Abraham was born I AM", "EVERYTHING that belongs to the Father belongs to Me", etc., etc. seem to suggest that a different interpretation is in fact just as possible.
FWIW, the "doxology" ("for Yours is the kingdom....") is apparently regarded by many as NOT part of the original Gospel accounts and is seen by many scholars Catholic and otherwise instead a possible addition/interpolation of a common Jewish blessing----some manuscripts and sources have it and some do not. the Wikipedia article on "Lord's Prayer" discusses the subject in much greater detail.
in the peace of Christ.
Oh...Great!...Just take it out and that fixes the problem...
You're confusing Tri-theism with the doctrine of the Trinity. Tri-thism is the doctrine that there are three gods who comprise the Trinity. Trinitarianism on the other hand recognizes that there is one God who exists in three persons. A distinction you probably couldn't care less about.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Modalism...
No, not Modalism.
Modalism
Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.
For me the best understanding of the Trinity is Ezekiel's book. We see in the beginning of the book a theophany (appearence of God). How He revealed? Ezekiel saw a man sitting on God's throne, then the Spirit of God came into Ezekiel and He listened the voice of God. The man who sitted on the throne, and is called "the glory of God", is the pre-incarnate Son of God, the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit and God the Father send Them to reveal Himself. A similar vision saw Isaiah at the 6 chapter and Daniel at 10 chapter. Revelation of John, a book that interpretes and shows us the visions and the prophecies of the Old Testament in Christ, in the sight of New Testament, shows us at the first chapter, that this radiance of the glory of God, His Word, His Wisdom that appeared as a man and a messanger of God to the prophets, is our Lord Jesus Christ who became truly a man through Virgin Mary and the power of Holy Spirit.
Daniel is not a prophet...Where does it say that he was born of a virgin in the Hebrew Scriptures?...
Shhh, they do not want to know that while Elohim is a plural noun it only carries the plural connotation when a plural verb, adjective, etc is associated with it.
Example in English is the word "Deer" a plural noun.
We can say:
Look at those Deer
or
Look at that Deer.
In Hebrew in the OT, Elohim used of the True God always uses a singular modifier. No Trinity here at all, but their teachers cheerfully falsely claim it is there. And the teachers know better.
Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.
God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes ....
There is no difference...
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