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Amen..... in total agreement with you and know with all my heart God agree's with this post !!!
As I have not shared in this forum that I spent 20+ years believing UR and God's mercy dramatically delivered me from that awful lie...... am sooooooooo thankful that He didn't leave me there in such a delusion of the mind and heart.
I've tried to warn a couple a few days ago..... but unless God is willing to deliver them instead of allowing them to stay there because of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, the ultimate they will be damned for all eternity. And believe me that is the truth !!!
I truly hope one doesn't have to go through what I did for God to get one's attention and see that God's written word means what is says, and says what it means !!
God Bless you, twin_spin !! There might be one out there like myself God is going to break through too...... only He knows !!!
Thanks LoveLadybugs,
Both of our goals is to call people to repentance. I would pray that we both keep on proclaiming the truth. The truth is that God does offer salvation. And we also must factually present the truth of the consequence of rejecting of such offer.
All we can do is present the truths. God bless your outreach to the lost.
Twin
Thanks LoveLadybugs,
Both of our goals is to call people to repentance. I would pray that we both keep on proclaiming the truth. The truth is that God does offer salvation. And we also must factually present the truth of the consequence of rejecting of such offer.
The call to repentance is fine. We all do that. But you blaspheme our loving Father (and make of Him a "Godfather" in the worst meaning of the term) by threatening them with ET if they do NOT repent. That is NOT an offer . . . it is extortion.
You piqued my curiosity when you say you believed in UR for 20 years... is this biblical UR "God will have all men to be saved and reconciled to Himself through Christ" kind of UR belief that you had?
question: what was it that changed your view on the whole thing?
another question: if God was willing to deliver you, but unwilling to deliver other people... does God want people to go into eternal suffering? Doesn't God want all men to be saved?
Someday I'll share.... but not now as I don't discern that God is wanting me to open up at this point and time, especially the way some people are behaving toward other's in this thread.
As it will not be received as God would have it too.
God Bless....
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Reason: deleted MysticPhD post !!!
Someday I'll share.... but not now as I don't discern that God is wanting me to open up at this point and time, especially the way some people are behaving toward other's in this thread.
As it will not be received as God would have it too.
No problem. I respect you might not want to share personal situations that caused a life change...
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Here is a great example of a true UR and the attitude of the heart.......
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD No one who sincerely believed UR could possibly have the kind of heart and emotions you display on this forum. There is no room for vengeance or belief in unending punishment for, ignorance, wrong beliefs or finite acts . . . as Justice . . . in a true UR'ers heart. The Holy Spirit is the TRUE NATURE of God and ET or Annihilationist beliefs are blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Such a "state of mind" corrupts any love you might claim to have for God or anyone else. I fear your experiences have hardened your heart and caused you to buy into such heinous and evil beliefs . . . God certainly had nothing to do with it.
While I realize MysticPhD's approach may be a bit harsh sometimes, I do understand the sentiment of what he is saying... I too wonder how one could go from believing that God will bring all to repentance and salvation through Christ, to thinking that God would be unwilling to deliver someone and thus leave them to suffer endless torments? Seems like a complete 180 - for the worse IMHO...
Yes, I do believe your last statement !!! Yet, it will be done God's way not the UR teachings way......
God Bless
Unless of course the UR teachings way is Gods way, which in fact we believe that it is ...
In Christ all who die in Adam will be made alive, and by the obedience of One man Christ all will be made righteous ...
Most Christians simply cant accept this truth, and so they reject it. Either because they lack the faith/hope or the understanding or the love or some combination of all the above ...
Universal Salvation is not real. Eternal damnation is not real. Second Death refers to the cessation of a soul which has chosen not to become one with God throughout its allotment of reincarnation cycles. At the point where it is faced with second death the soul still has free will to choose to climb up the path to salvation, the "christ conciousness" or to, well, disappear. But it is still a choice. From revelation 20:12-15, the phrase "and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" refers to the conciousness of "hell" and "death", which are the sinful carnal mind/ego conciousness, as opposed to the christ conciousness. That is what receives the second death. Those living in this conciousness eventually go through the second death, which is the cessation of the existence of the soul.
Amen..... in total agreement with you and know with all my heart God agree's with this post !!!
As I have not shared in this forum that I spent 20+ years believing UR and God's mercy dramatically delivered me from that awful lie...... am sooooooooo thankful that He didn't leave me there in such a delusion of the mind and heart.
I've tried to warn a couple a few days ago..... but unless God is willing to deliver them instead of allowing them to stay there because of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, the ultimate they will be damned for all eternity. And believe me that is the truth !!!
I truly hope one doesn't have to go through what I did for God to get one's attention and see that God's written word means what is says, and says what it means !!
God Bless you, twin_spin !! There might be one out there like myself God is going to break through too...... only He knows !!!
So i am curious as to what originally convinced you to believe that UR was the gospel truth to begin with?
And then what convinced you again that the traditional Fundamentalist teaching of ET is true 20+ years later?
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