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Once Saved, Always Saved: Are all Disciples Saved?
Upon becoming a disciple of Jesus, is that person granted salvation at that moment in time? The Word declares that whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved.
Yes. If you are saved, you are saved. We don't save ourselves, nor do we lose our own salvation. God does the saving, and God doesn't make mistakes.
OSAS has never been scriptural. God revealed in the OT:
Ezekiel 18:24“But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die. Ezekiel 33:13 If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done.
OSAS has never been scriptural. Jesus revealed in the NT:
Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Hebrews 3:14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
Hebrews 6:11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.
Revelation 2:26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
OSAS has never been scriptural. Jesus specifically revealed in the NT:
John 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
OSAS opposes Jesus by offering false hope to those who do not remain faithful. Jesus says they are sent to hell... not OSAS.
As God said in the OT:
Jeremiah 23:16This is what the Lord Almighty says:“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."
OSAS has never been scriptural. God revealed in the OT:
Ezekiel 18:24“But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die. Ezekiel 33:13 If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done.
OSAS has never been scriptural. Jesus revealed in the NT:
Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Hebrews 3:14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
Hebrews 6:11We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.
Revelation 2:26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
OSAS has never been scriptural. Jesus specifically revealed in the NT:
John 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
OSAS opposes Jesus by offering false hope to those who do not remain faithful. Jesus says they are sent to hell... not OSAS.
As God said in the OT:
Jeremiah 23:16This is what the Lord Almighty says:“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."
Every one of those verses describe a believer...but not a one of them says that we can lose our salvation.
Is it possible to be a disciple of Jesus without being saved? Of course. Judas was one of the 12 disciples.
Are all disciples saved? Obviously not. The aforementioned apostle above is how we know once saved, always saved is a crock. Your only saved as long as you believed and accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and savior. If you abandoned him, you abandoned your salvation as well.
Every one of those verses describe a believer...but not a one of them says that we can lose our salvation.
When God says in Ezekiel "he will die" there is no other interpretation other than that... they are not OSAS
When Jesus says "he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." that is being damned which only happens because such a person lost his salvation.
When God says in Ezekiel "he will die" there is no other interpretation other than that... they are not OSAS
When Jesus says "he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." that is being damned which only happens because such a person lost his salvation.
Those were people that were never saved. They were in the church, or in Ezekiel, part of the nation of Israel....but they were never saved, as they had no faith.
God calls us to salvation. He moves the hear of men....he causes us to be saved, and he will keep us that way.
Those were people that were never saved. They were in the church, or in Ezekiel, part of the nation of Israel....but they were never saved, as they had no faith.
God calls us to salvation. He moves the hear of men....he causes us to be saved, and he will keep us that way.
a "righteous man" is what? ....... a person that had no faith?
“But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live?
With all due respect, that is simply theological non-sense.
God doesn't refer a person who has no faith \ never had faith to begin with as a "righteous man".
The answer is not "they were never saved, as they had no faith" ....... the answer is 'No, they lost their salvation'
" No! None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die."
a "righteous man" is what? ....... a person that had no faith?
“But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live?
With all due respect, that is simply theological non-sense.
God doesn't refer a person who has no faith \ never had faith to begin with as a "righteous man".
Read the context. Dying physically is what's being discussed--not eternal death.
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The answer is not "they were never saved, as they had no faith" ....... the answer is 'No, they lost their salvation'
" No! None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die."
Jn 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
Lk 8:13 Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Sorry, but there are far too many texts that warn against falling away to be able to accept OSAS. Just look at 1 Corinthians
1Co 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. 1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall.
The whole first part of chapter 10 is a warning against falling away. This cannot mean physically either. God's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, so the Bible is speaking spiritually, not about physical death.
Jn 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
Lk 8:13 Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.
Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Sorry, but there are far too many texts that warn against falling away to be able to accept OSAS. Just look at 1 Corinthians
1Co 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. 1Co 10:12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall.
The whole first part of chapter 10 is a warning against falling away. This cannot mean physically either. God's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, so the Bible is speaking spiritually, not about physical death.
You're reading eternal hell into these scriptures. Be honest with yourself and read them without your ET specs on.
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