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View Poll Results: Is it possible to be a disciple of Jesus without being saved?
Yes 7 21.21%
No 26 78.79%
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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Once Saved, Always Saved: Are all Disciples Saved?

Upon becoming a disciple of Jesus, is that person granted salvation at that moment in time? The Word declares that whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved.

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Old 11-13-2010, 06:10 PM
 
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No but it will help , see Judas Iscariot was a disciple to Jesus who rebelled and did not endure to the end of his life and was probably lost to the Lord ...... But if you are born again and stay in Love with the Lord Jesus than you should always be saved , Disciples in Christ should stay clean from demons and pray for people, learn about Christ and his Words and help people as the disciples did in the Word that followed Jesus.....
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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1. Are Jesus' disciples given eternal life upon being born again?
2. If they don't have eternal life upon being born again, then what do they have at that moment in time?
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:24 PM
 
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Default The Book Saying Different Enough

John 8:31---Continue is the big word to be his disciple.
John 5:39----Search is the big word to have eternity life in him.
Romans 6:1---Repent is the big word in being saved by grace all the time.
Romans 6:15--Repenting again to be saved is the big word all the time.
Enduring to the end to be saved is the book too somewhere.
1 John 2 or so on repenting or confession is the big word to be saved again.
Mark 16:16 got the believeth word which mean to continue to believe to be saved.

Believe not talking about grace only but anything in the book to
believe---John 5:39 and John 8:31.

Accept God another way of saying believe God's word to be saved.
Accept God another way of saying repent on God's word to be saved.
Accept God mean more then believe in grace to be saved.
Any devil can know their a sinner too that's why they frown at Jesus coming before they wanted him to.
Just knowing your powerless without grace is not salvation--Romans 6:15.
Knowing grace + repentance = salvation is salvation only---Romans 6:1.

Accept God is not a passive acceptance of grace to be
saved---Romans 6:1.

Accept God is not a passive confidence in the faith of God to be
saved by grace only----Romans 10:17 and John 8:31.


Tell any big shot in the religious community you want to this:

Benny Hinn, T.D. Jakes, Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar, Rod Parsley, etc, etc.

The book is the book whether we got a big shot saying this or
not today-----1 John 2:27 and James 1:5 and 2 Timothy 2:15.



quote=scgraham;16640152]Once Saved, Always Saved: Are all Disciples Saved?

Upon becoming a disciple of Jesus, is that person granted salvation at that moment in time? The Word declares that whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved.[/quote]
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Old 11-14-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life but lose it tomorrow......then it was never "eternal" at all.

The Bible tells us that we have all sinned, and are therefore separated from God (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23).

We are all born sinners. Not one of us is "correct in every detail" as Jesus was. He was born in human form but without sin. Jesus neither committed or performed sin. Jesus was PERFECT-COMPLETE.

Jesus came to earth and died in our place. Jesus' death was an infinite payment for our sins (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus paid the price so that we would not have to. Jesus' resurrection from the dead proved that His death was sufficient to pay the penalty for our sins. That is why Jesus is the one and only Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12).

True Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Accepting Jesus as your personal Savior means placing your own personal faith and trust in Him.
The only way to be saved is to personally accept Jesus as your Savior, trusting His death as the payment for your sins, and His resurrection as your guarantee of eternal life (John 3:16).

No one is saved by the faith of others.
No one is forgiven by doing or performing good deeds.
It is only trusting in Christ that can save you from sin.

Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die" (John 11:25-26).

As a TRUE child of God, A PERSONAL CHOICE... one that has accepted the LORD JESUS CHRIST as their savior, ......there is a standard for your conduct, both in private and in public. "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Corinthians 10:31).

We live to glorify God and even though there are times when we can fail and we do fail, God has made provision for us to be in fellowship with Him.

If we believe with all our hearts, minds, thoughts and actions and really really try not to sin but to try to conduct ourselves as Jesus did (IMPOSSIBLE-but we can avoid a lot of the temptation/sin with the freewill we have) then we will not lose our salvation.

But if we willfully commit sin continuously without spiritually heartfelt remorse-no lessons learned- no trying to conduct ourselves in a better manner and/ or try to avoid the actions of sin..... then I feel that you lose your salvation and that you are not saved and truly never were.




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Old 11-14-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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It is impossible to not be saved. God is the savior of all people, either you believe that or you don't.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:40 AM
 
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It would be hard to dispute with Paul as he writes to the Galatians that they were at one time in grace, but had fallen away. "Once in grace, always in grace" is simply not scriptural; it's a false teaching; it's the theories of men.

Galatians 5
[3] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace [one must be in grace at one time in order to fall from it].

[7] Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

People need to stop this heresy of "once saved, always saved". It's heresy, and no heretic will inherit the kingdom of God (Galatians 5:20).
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:22 AM
 
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Paul says IF you were able to be justified by the law then you are fallen from grace....But they weren't justified by the law because they were justified by Grace. Paul was just making a statement referring to the law and the fact that the law would have NO way of saving anyone...Only God's Grace saves them, through our faith In Christ.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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No but it will help , see Judas Iscariot was a disciple to Jesus who rebelled and did not endure to the end of his life and was probably lost to the Lord ...... But if you are born again and stay in Love with the Lord Jesus than you should always be saved , Disciples in Christ should stay clean from demons and pray for people, learn about Christ and his Words and help people as the disciples did in the Word that followed Jesus.....
Where does it state that Judas Iscariot was lost?...Twelve Pillars will have the Twelve Names of the Disciples of Yeshua...
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:35 PM
 
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Where does it state that Judas Iscariot was lost?...Twelve Pillars will have the Twelve Names of the Disciples of Yeshua...
And Matthias will have his name on one of them for he replaced Judas' "bishoprick" as we are told in scripture. Both in Psalms and Act's.
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