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Old 11-22-2010, 02:41 PM
 
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If sex is a sin for married couples...why did your God give us a P and a V? He could've made humans like fishes where reproduction occurs when gametes meet outside the body.
Nice question,


primarily to procreate. remember though that as humans ' in sin were we born'. guess that is scriptural?

 
Old 11-22-2010, 02:47 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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So children are Gods punishment to us for having sex?
 
Old 11-22-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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It appears the replies have focused on sex being a sin and ... not on scripture. As we move on from milk teachings I expect these type of reactions, but lets roll our sleeves and re-examine scripture.

Guys, this is the doctrine of God, I did not invent it, neither did Paul, for those who criticize Paul. This is the true teaching of Jesus. He said those who are worthy to inherit the world to come neither marry or are given in marriage - in other words only celibates or virgins are worthy. We see this again in the Rev, with the 144,000 virgins being the only ones qualified to follow him or to sing songs on his throne. Elsewhere, it is written that the righteous shall inherit the earth, the pure in heart shall see God.

I believe we can all on our own confirm if sex is a sin or not. After making love to your spouse, have you ever tried to pray? Try to pray and listen to your spirit. Now try another experiment. Carry out a fast after sex, and ask God for forgiveness. After the fast, pray to God and your spirit will convict you on the difference. It is not theoretical; it is something we can all try to get a conviction.

Now the post is not saying you should not make love to your lawful partner (I do enjoy a good sex life myself), but the point is that to clean up the abode of the spirit, you need to fast and pray for forgiveness which is open for all couples.

Another poster mentioned Adam and Eve injunction to multiply. God is like a two edged sword. Yes, he told them to multiply, yes he 'caused' them to sin, but that is the nature of God. God causes the pain, he brings the cure. Before you get too giddy with this let's look up some examples:

Who asked Adam & Eve to Multiply? -God
who warned them about the 'forbidden' fruit? -God
Who inspired the devil to cause them to fornicate? God
The same God came to the garden and asked them innocently, 'what have you done?'
Who provided the appropriate sacrifice for sin 4000yrs later?-God


Who promised Abraham and his descendants riches and slavery for @ 400 years ? God
Who made Joseph a governor in Egypt ? -God
Who caused Jacob to come to Egypt? God
Jacob did not know that he was sowing the foundation for the promised slavery of Abraham descendants by taking refuge in Egypt.

Who asked Moses to lead his people from Egypt ? - God
Who hardened Pharaoh’s heart? –God


God does everything.

Intransigence???? I'm speechless . . . and for me that is saying something. The power and tenacity of primitive superstition and ignorance in this modern age is simply unbelievable.
 
Old 11-22-2010, 03:12 PM
 
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If God dislikes sex, why did he create Adam and Eve? Your assertion sounds like religious psycho-babble to me. To the pure, all things are pure.
Lack of sex has ruined many-a-marriage, no doubt. Wow, I can't believe you're teaching this dogma which I had assumed was mostly limited to fundamentalist Catholics and Muslims.
 
Old 11-22-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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Now the post is not saying you should not make love to your lawful partner (I do enjoy a good sex life myself), but the point is that to clean up the abode of the spirit, you need to fast and pray for forgiveness which is open for all couples.
You are just contradicting yourself all over the place! So now you're saying you "WILLFULLY" sin by having sex with your wife, then you fast and pray for forgiveness afterwards??? This is beyond ridiculous.
 
Old 11-22-2010, 04:21 PM
 
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Sex is totally sinful in marriage. So is laughter, talking, having fun... Marriage should be completely boring and loveless. Fortunately, I have no problem with this kind of sinning so my marriage is awesome!!! But I'm already hellbound - so having a great marriage is fine with me!
The tough teachings of God may look funny, but sadly they are true. If you make love to your wife, how do you pray?
 
Old 11-22-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It is often said that man is the abode of God, but his abode, like a house needs to be clean for the visitor to come in. Sin like dirt keeps the house unclean and unworthy of the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit is Holy, it means that our daily activities like anger, taking medications, and most of all sex all cause uncleanness in our bodies making us unworthy of the Holy Spirit.

I want to focus on the most controversial which is Sex. Most of us think that marriage is a license to unlimited sex and that indeed sex in marriage is not a sin. I Am sorry to disappoint you but sex in marriage is a sin because it defiles the abode of the Holy Spirit.

From the word of Christ it is clear that the people worthy for the kingdom of God are the Virgins or the 144,000. It means that celibacy and holiness count a lot with God.

Luke 20



It means that the rest of us are saved not by our righteousness but by his mercy and grace. His exact requirement is chastity, otherwise we are the children of the world. But I guess even the children of the world are graduated on a God scale of righteousness.

Let me dwell on Paul's teaching, which advocated marriage as a last resort and as a better alternative to wanton sex.

1 Cor

1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

It is clear that Paul struggled with this topic because he understood the setting under which he thought. His general conclusion is instructive.

29 But this I say, brethren, the time [is] short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
31 And they that use this world, as not abusing [it]: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

In other words keep your Sanctity and celibacy even in marriage as the time is short.

Finally he advises in 1Cor 7:5

Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.


In giving this advise, Paul understood that fasting and prayer times are periods couples come close to God and invite the Holy Spirit in their lives, by removing the sin of sex in their lives. It is only when you practice fasting and prayer after sex, that God can hear your prayer either as a couple or individuals.

Lastly Hebrews 12:

14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:



Holiness is an important part of relationship with our spouse and with continued sex and lack of fasting and repentance , how can we see the grace of God.
If you find it sinful, the it is best you refrain from it. You might want to give some thought to serving the Lord as a monk.
 
Old 11-22-2010, 04:27 PM
 
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If God dislikes sex, why did he create Adam and Eve? Your assertion sounds like religious psycho-babble to me. To the pure, all things are pure.
Lack of sex has ruined many-a-marriage, no doubt. Wow, I can't believe you're teaching this dogma which I had assumed was mostly limited to fundamentalist Catholics and Muslims.
Guys , it was written, ' be you pure even as I am'. This is in scripture. 'In sin were we born', also in scripture. Sex is sinful, even in marriage and drives away the Holy Spirit. When you seek the face of God, do you not drop sinful behaviors? If sex is not sinful, then it is ok to make love while seeking the face of God?

Lets reason from scripture and resist the temptation to apply carnal wisdom.
 
Old 11-22-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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God procreates, and made man to do so also.
 
Old 11-22-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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Guys , it was written, ' be you pure even as I am'. This is in scripture. 'In sin were we born', also in scripture. Sex is sinful, even in marriage and drives away the Holy Spirit. When you seek the face of God, do you not drop sinful behaviors? If sex is not sinful, then it is ok to make love while seeking the face of God?

Lets reason from scripture and resist the temptation to apply carnal wisdom.
You should probably never have sex again. I, on the other hand, don't find sex sinful. I will keep having lots of sex with my husband and not feeling the least bit guilty. It makes us happier and brings us closer to each other. But if you find it sinful and find that it keeps you from God - you should probably give it up altogether.
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