"Study to show thyself approved..."

[RAZZEL]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

1 John 2:3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if...[IF!] we keep his commandments."

Let me ask you Jerwade, Do you keep the commandments of God?

...the Bible according to Jerwade...and which commandment would that be exactly...?

1 John 2:3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if...[IF!] we keep his commandments."

So you're saying we are to love "that" spirit within others whether it be THE Spirit of God or another spirit...?...lot's of "spirits" out there...inside people...of which I would never love!...I don't think so.

How do we know...how do we discern "what" spirit one is walking in? I tell you...from the words of the apostle John, which give us the designation of a true Christian, to be the knowledge of God, and the character of His knowledge, to be obedience to His commands. That's how. Nothing less with suffice.

Amen!

Indeed.

[font=Verdana] Yes...and that would not include those FALSE teachers that teach anything less than righteousness, nor anything less than keeping the commandments of God....and obviously, THEY who do teach nothing less than righteousness and obedience to God's laws ARE! them who truly!!! love with the love of God. We would die for Him...and teach His truth even if it meant our death. And I will...with my last breath.

The knowledge of God in Jesus Christ is the most proper designation of a Christian, "Hereby we know that we know him," which is as much as to say that we are true Christians,""...that we keep His commandments"...that the proper character of true knowledge is obedience. The direct and principal duty of a true believer is to know God, and keep his commands, which are not two distinct duties as they come in a religious consideration, but make up one complete work of Christianity, which consists in conformity to God.



Amen!...and Amen! I couldn't agree with the word of God more!


I do know and can see the "angle" from which YOU are coming from though - simply from reading many of your other posts on this board...not to mention your use of the "cool" guy behind his little dark glasses...it's as if you are insinuating that I would fall under this catagory...? ...so what I will say is this..."study and show thyself approved" is a fair warning...one in which you obviously, truly should take heed...for the sake of your own soul.

I will not argue nor debate with you on this...but I would ask you this:

Do you keep the commandments of God?

If you don't, you do not love Him! If you don't, you do not know Him! Thus saith the LORD God Almighty...it is written.

...just look in the mirror and ask yourself this...search your own self...and do something wonderful about it....get right with your Maker!



I believe that there is not much knowledge of the word. Hearts are dungeons of darkness...of ignorance of God and unbelief, and ways and walks are full of stumblings in this darkness. If you could only open your eyes to the shining light of the scripture, I don't doubt that you would be able to see that which few do see, that is, that much of the pretended light of this age is darkness and ignorance.

Truly there is going to be no "approval" coming from God of this ignorance.

If you do not keep the commandments of God...you transgress the law of God...which is all sin is. That would make you a willfull sinner...seeing that you know the truth...but choose to deny it. It's really quite clear...crystal clear who is and who isn't living the life God's will requires in order to be an heir to His Kingdom.

You may choose to continue on in your ignorance and pride and rebelliousness...your choice...but God will not have anything to do with a willfull, wicked sinner who loves his/her sin more than they love Him and obey and live by His commandments. Thus saith the LORD God Almighty. It is written.



In Christ's love..and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.

It is actually morally impossible for ingrained moral weaknesses to be conquered.
Our Heavenly Father God does indeed hold us (( on an individual basis)) responsible for our conduct.

Human sin is unrelenting.—1 Corinthians 9:26, 27.
God does not allow imperfection to be an excuse for unwise conduct. --Jude 4
Whatever a man is sowing this he shall also reap-- Galatians 6:7

Wash yourselves & make yourselves clean:: cease to do what is bad—Isaiah 1:16.

[RAZZEL]

Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely.--Colossians 3:13.

..it is beauty . . . to pass over transgression.--Proverbs 19:11.

God is “ready to forgive,” but that is not always the case with humans. --Psalm 86:5




There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief.
Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy.

[Verna Perry]

[quote=Verna Perry;16895283]...I asked you a simple question Jerwade...

I asked: "Let me ask you Jerwade, Do you keep the commandments of God?"

and your reply was:

Originally Posted by Jerwade

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"

'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD (SPIRIT) WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND....'

First of all Jerwade...Spirit is truth...don't forget that.

So if you are attempting to prove, somehow, through Scripture, that this great commandment spoken of by Jesus is somehow different, somehow separate from the first 4 of the Ten Commandments...you are sadly mistaken...and deceived. Unfortunately you do not walk alone in this unbelief...many are those who walk this wide path toward their very destruction...and not a "temporary" destruction as UR's would have you to believe, either...but the death...the permanent death of your soul...forever separated from God...and I mean FOREVER...as in never ending.

The love of God is the first and great commandment, and the sum of all the commands of the first table [which is also known as The First Stone Tablet in which the first 4 of the Ten Commandments are inscribed upon...by the finger of God Himself]. Our love of God must be sincere, not in word and tongue only. All our love is too little to bestow upon him, therefore all the powers of the soul must be engaged for him, and carried out toward him.

Originally Posted by Jerwade

This is the great and foremost commandment, Verna Perry, and the second is like it:

'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'

Although you have a familiar Spirit called Rudeness; I still love you, too.

Forgive me Jerwade, if you consider my response as being "rude." It is not meant to be. It is meant to cause you to question yourself...and discover in what state your soul and spiritual walk truly is. My love for you is the same kind of love that God has shown me...a love filled with this Spirit (of which you continue to make mention of) and His Truth...a love filled with the light of understanding and wisdom that enables me to recognize, from God's perspective, what sin is and what it is not, and what He requires of us in avoiding it at all costs...and I am mandated to tell you the truth, in THIS kind of love...whether you like it or not isn't the question...if you are not living in God's will for your life, I would hope that this conversation would be most uncomfortable for you...this would be the only way to (hopefully) get you to look deep within yourself and search diligently what state your soul is in...what you hold in it...and know what you need to do to get in right relationship with your Creator/Father. Take heed.

To love our neighbour as ourselves, is the second great commandment, and the sum of all the commands of the second table [which is also known as The Second Stone Tablet in whhich the final 6 of The Ten Commandments are inscribed upon...by the finger of God Himself]. There is a self-love which is corrupt, and the root of the greatest sins, and it must be put off and mortified; but there is a self-love which is the rule of the greatest duty: we must have a due concern for the welfare of our own souls and bodies. And we must love our neighbour as truly and sincerely as we love ourselves; in many cases we must deny ourselves for the good of others. By these two commandments let our hearts be formed as by a mold.

So I ask you again Jerwade...Do you keep the Commandments of God?...or not...?



In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.

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To RAZZLE:

You responded...and first you say this...

Originally Posted by RAZZEL

It is actually morally impossible for ingrained moral weaknesses to be conquered...

...and you are very, VERY! wrong here by the way. You just have a need to justify the sin you choose not to overcome.

...and then you say this...

Originally Posted by RAZZLE

...Our Heavenly Father God does indeed hold us (( on an individual basis)) responsible for our conduct.

...INDEED! He does!

...so...I'm confused by your "double-minded" reponse here RAZZLE...which is it...?

Originally Posted by RAZZLE

...Human sin is unrelenting.—1 Corinthians 9:26, 27.

...let us look at 1 Corinthians 9:26-27...(it says ABSOLUTELY! NOTHING! about Human sin being so unrelenting or so overpowering that one can not overcome submitting to it!...quite the contrary!!!)...

1 Corinthians 9:

26 Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air

1 Corinthians 14:9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Hebrews 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?

Originally Posted by RAZZLE

God does not allow imperfection to be an excuse for unwise conduct. --Jude 4

Originally Posted by RAZZLE

Whatever a man is sowing this he shall also reap-- Galatians 6:7

Wash yourselves & make yourselves clean:: cease to do what is bad—Isaiah 1:16.


Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely.--Colossians 3:13.

..it is beauty . . . to pass over transgression.--Proverbs 19:11.

God is “ready to forgive,” but that is not always the case with humans. --Psalm 86:5

There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief. Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy.

Well, you cannot argue with any of these passages, for they are spoken in Spirit and in Truth...Amen.

But it still begs the question that you avoid answering. Do you keep the Commandments of God RAZZLE...?


If you don't, you do not love Him! If you don't, you do not know Him! Thus saith the LORD God Almighty...it is written.

...just look in the mirror and ask yourself this...search your own self...and do something wonderful about it....get right with your Maker!


1 John 2:3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if...[IF!] we keep his commandments."


I believe that there is not much knowledge of the word. Hearts are dungeons of darkness...of ignorance of God and unbelief, and ways and walks are full of stumblings in this darkness. If you could only open your eyes to the shining light of the scripture, I don't doubt that you would be able to see that which few do see, that is, that much of the pretended light of this age is darkness and ignorance.

Truly there is going to be no "approval" coming from God of this ignorance.

If you do not keep the commandments of God...you transgress the law of God...which is all sin is. That would make you a willfull sinner...seeing that you know the truth...but choose to deny it. It's really quite clear...crystal clear who is and who isn't living the life God's will requires in order to be an heir to His Kingdom.

You may choose to continue on in your ignorance and pride and rebelliousness...your choice...but God will not have anything to do with a willfull, wicked sinner who loves his/her sin more than they love Him and obey and live by His commandments. Thus saith the LORD God Almighty. It is written.


Matthew 22...

TRUE Faith Overcomes the World...TRUE Faith Leads To Righteousness

1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Messiah has been born from God, and everyone who loves the parent also loves the child.

2 This is how we know that we love God's children: we love God and keep his commandments.

3 For this demonstrates our love for God: We keep his commandments, and his commandments are not difficult,

4 because everyone who is born from God has overcome the world. Our faith is the victory that overcomes the world.

5 Who overcomes the world? Is it not the person who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This man, Jesus the Messiah, is the one who came by water and blood—not with water only, but with water and with blood. The Spirit is the one who verifies this, because the Spirit is the truth.

7 For there are three witnesses—

8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are one.

9 If we accept human testimony, God's testimony is greater, because it is the testimony of God and because he has testified about his Son.

10 The person who believes in the Son of God believes this testimony personally.
The person who does not believe God has made him a liar by not believing the testimony that he has given about his Son.

11 This is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is found in his Son.

12 The person who has the Son has this life. The person who does not have the Son of God does not have this life.
Conclusion

13 I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him: if we ask for anything according to his will, he listens to us.

15 And if we know that he listens to our requests, we can be sure that we have what we ask him for.

16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin that does not lead to death [this is speaking of sins of ignorance...this is sin that does not lead to death], he should pray that God would give him life. This applies to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death [this is speaking of willfull sin...knowing that sin is the transgression of the law...and CHOOSING not to obey all TEN! of them]. I am not telling you to pray about that [he says this because there is no prayer that is heard by God from a person who chooses to live in their sin at will].

17 Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, yet there are sins that do not lead to death [this is sins of ignorance...which do not lead to death].

18 We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them.

19 We know that we are from God and that the whole world lies under the control of the evil one.

20 We also know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know the true God. We are in union with the one who is true, his Son Jesus the Messiah, who is the true God and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves away from idols.




Christ enemies....they admire his wisdom, but will not be guided by it; his power, but will not submit to it.



In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.

[SisterKat]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"

'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD (SPIRIT) WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'

This is the great and foremost commandment, Verna Perry, and the second is like it:

'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'

Although you have a familiar Spirit called Rudeness; I still love you, too.

and if we focus on these very two most important commandments we will draw closer to our Father in Love with him and each other... and that is simply beautiful~ His Love that dwells within us when we ask him for it and will continue to flow into our souls the more we seek it. The more that we become at-one with God the less sinful our nature is. It is much easier to follow the commandments when the Love of God dwells within us. I am still a sinner but I have noticed that I sin less than I used to Praise God for his Love and Forgiveness~

[RAZZEL]

Verna,
When I say "It is actually morally impossible for ingrained moral weaknesses to be conquered" you disagree with me.
We are all sinners. Point Blank. Period. Who do you know that has overcome any of our moral weaknesses to be whole????
Verna, name one besides Jesus Christ who was the only man in human form that was PERFECT in every way.

Second, You are responsible for you and what you do. No one else. It is your free will to make decisions each and ever minute of your existence. You will be held accountable for your conduct. How You treat others is included. You will not be held accountable for anyone other than yourself. You and you alone.

No double minded response here Verna. It simply is what it is.

We are all sinners and we are accountable for what we do on an individual basis. Period.....

Unrelenting means : not easing or slackening in severity.
So human sin is not unrelenting?????
sorry about 1 Corinthians 9:26-27. My mistake, Verna.

"But it still begs the question that you avoid answering. Do you keep the Commandments of God RAZZLE...?

Again Verna....morally impossible.That is my answer.
If i were to say yes .....I keep all the 10 commandments .....I would be a liar. I also would then be perfect as Jesus was and still is and I am far from perfect.

If you don't, you do not love Him! If you don't, you do not know Him! Thus saith the LORD God Almighty...it is written.

...just look in the mirror and ask yourself this...search your own self...and do something wonderful about it....get right with your Maker!

Verna, I am accountable for what I do. I do not need to look in the mirror. I am what I am. A sinner- - not perfect- - impossible to be....

I do have one question for you as well:

I have read many of your posts ::::
Why do you get so combative with your words and condemn others if they do not agree with you entirely? Why do you feel as though your words and your thoughts are more correct than any of ours???

Our conduct is what is most important. Why would an atheist want to be like someone who condemns and judges others ??? You are not the judge, Verna.

Jesus was extremely sensitive to the needs of all people. Jesus expressed tender warmth and deep feelings toward all. Jesus was also very impartial (( not partial or biased Jesus was fair and just and treated all people with dignity.

Jesus set the finest example of loyal obedience to his Father, Our Heavenly Father.
Jesus remained faithful to his heavenly Father under all types of circumstances and despite all types of suffering & opposition.

From the Bible:
1 Peter 2:21-23 (New Living Translation)

21 For God called you to do good, even if it means suffering, just as Christ suffered[a] for you. He is your example, and you must follow in his steps.

22 He never sinned,
nor ever deceived anyone.[b]
23 He did not retaliate when he was insulted,
nor threaten revenge when he suffered.
He left his case in the hands of God,
who always judges fairly.

Just food for thought Verna... ((Cheap Sunglasses))

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

...I asked you a simple question Jerwade...

So if you are attempting to prove, somehow, through Scripture, that this great commandment spoken of by Jesus is somehow different, somehow separate from the first 4 of the Ten Commandments...you are sadly mistaken...and deceived. Unfortunately you do not walk alone in this unbelief...many are those who walk this wide path toward their very destruction...and not a "temporary" destruction as UR's would have you to believe, either...but the death...the permanent death of your soul...forever separated from God...and I mean FOREVER...as in never ending.

The very essence of the law is within the "Spirit" of that law, but you will need to remove the idols from within your own heart in order to see it.
Perhaps you should also take a closer look at commandment NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbors.'

Our love of God must be sincere, not in word and tongue only. All our love is too little to bestow upon him, therefore all the powers of the soul must be engaged for him, and carried out toward him.

Forgive me Jerwade, if you consider my response as being "rude." It is not meant to be. It is meant to cause you to question yourself...and discover in what state your soul and spiritual walk truly is. My love for you is the same kind of love that God has shown me...a love filled with this Spirit (of which you continue to make mention of) and His Truth...a love filled with the light of understanding and wisdom that enables me to recognize, from God's perspective, what sin is and what it is not, and what He requires of us in avoiding it at all costs...and I am mandated to tell you the truth, in THIS kind of love...whether you like it or not isn't the question...if you are not living in God's will for your life, I would hope that this conversation would be most uncomfortable for you...this would be the only way to (hopefully) get you to look deep within yourself and search diligently what state your soul is in...what you hold in it...and know what you need to do to get in right relationship with your Creator/Father. Take heed.

Your thoughts are not His thoughts, nor are your ways, HIS WAY!

So I ask you again Jerwade...Do you keep the Commandments of God?...or not...?

One who was supposedly an expert in the law also tested Jesus Christ by asking him a question:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

His response was: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:35-40).

"The fruit of the Spirit is love, and against such there is no law" (Galatians 5:22-23).

Thus, All the Law is fulfilled in one word, it’s called Love.

“…Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant or mutual agreement with the inhabitants of the land…”

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by SisterKat

and if we focus on these very two most important commandments we will draw closer to our Father in Love with him and each other... and that is simply beautiful~ His Love that dwells within us when we ask him for it and will continue to flow into our souls the more we seek it. The more that we become at-one with God the less sinful our nature is. It is much easier to follow the commandments when the Love of God dwells within us. I am still a sinner but I have noticed that I sin less than I used to Praise God for his Love and Forgiveness~

“Without love there is no forgiveness, and without forgiveness there is no love; for what power has love, but forgiveness.”

[RobinD69]

Anyone who says they have no sin is a liar, we all sin but coming to terms with our sin and turning from sin is a great blessing while giving into sin which last for a second can curse you for eternity.

[pcamps]

Dear Verna you asked Jerwade, "Do you keep the commandments ?". My answer to that would be NO, they keep me.

Who are kept guarded by the power of God through faith for salvation,ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1 verse 5.

What Jesus accomplished is all sufficient when believed by faith. He is the commandment keeper.