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Consider yourself fortunate then not to have had hellfire and damnation thrown at you three times a week. At the end of each service there was a tearful solemn moment as the preacher asked the unbaptized ones (or the ones baptized in another church) to come forward and repent and have their sins "washed away" in full immersion. Children and vulnerable adults would tearfully rush to the preachers outstretched arms in fear of eternal torment.
...then on many occasions the elders and preacher would decide if that person was eligible to be "saved"
I can make a point about this, I was at a pentacostal church here locally and this particular church (not sure about pentacostals in general) believed that you would go to hell if you did not speak in tongues because speaking in tongues was a sign that you were filled with the holy spirit and of course you cannot be saved unless you are filled with the holy spirit.
They made a statement about someone and declared them not saved because they deemed their "speaking in tongues" not acceptable. You could not just tell the leadership of this church you were saved, you had to demonstrate it to them by speaking in tongues in a manner they decided was acceptable.
You do not get to judge the hearts of believers and declare there is hate is their hearts. I cant' speak for everyone, but the believers I know do not have hate in their hearts, and I have no hate in mine.
Finn_Jarber, I don't expect those that love their hate to say they have hate in their hearts. But on the contrary, to say they don't have hate in their hearts.
Christ also said that He knows His sheep by name, and that the sheep know Him by the sound of His voice. The latter part suggests, to me at least, that He identifies which sheep are His and which are not by whether or not they also know and recognize Him. In that case, then God will not allow even one of His sheep to be lost; however, it would appear that the sheep that are only His. Christ also mentioned that in the end time that God would separate the sheep from the goats, the crops from the weeds. The sheep, the crops would be with the master. The goats would be led to the slaughter and the weeds will be burned up.
If you are asking if I think God enjoys seeing people in hell, then the answer is no. I don't. But I am simply going off what Scripture has shown to me.
By the way,
Hi...haven't seen you on the forum before.
Hi Nero, beleive it or not I knew that was the response I was going to get. But read the scripture concerning who the lost sheep are. They are the SINNERS. And if Jesus loses the soul of one SINNER then He is the one who suffers the loss.
He did not come to save the rightous, but the SINNER.
The SINNER is the lost sheep
Oh I am around once in awhile now, I use to be here alot but it was taking away from my own studies so I backed off a little.
Finn_Jarber, I don't expect those that love their hate to say they have hate in their hearts. But on the contrary, to say they don't have hate in their hearts.
That's pretty ugly. Let's leave the judgment to God, shall we.
That's pretty ugly. Let's leave the judgment to God, shall we.
Finn it's not necessarily judging, but discernment. How do you discern ? , by listening to what we are saying .Out of the abundance of the heart the mouths speaks.
That's pretty ugly. Let's leave the judgment to God, shall we.
Jesus said to judge righteous judgement. He never said not to Judge. After all, if someone has Christ Jesus in their heart then He is their guide, I'm sure such a heart can judge righteousness.
Finn it's not necessarily judging, but discernment. How do you discern ? , by listening to what we are saying .Out of the abundance of the heart the mouths speaks.
Yes it is. Even if you truly think people around you are haters and a liars, it is best to keep it to yourself unless you want everyone to see that you harbor something other than love yourself. Or maybe it is good to throw it out in the open where it is exposed, and maybe then you will see it yourself and correct it.
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