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As I mentioned on trettap's thread, I am caught between annihiliationism and UR. It's horrible to be in such a divided state of mind but there is a reason for this. It may not be a good one, but here it is:
For those who are of either persuasion listed above (but not ET'ers by any means, unless they choose to invade solely for the purpose of disrupting the discussion with one of their diatribes) I know your time is valuable and it's nearly impossible to read every link posted on this board.
Nevertheless, I would be greatly appreciative if those who are so inclined and have the time would peruse the link below and point out the weaknesses or fallacies in his/her arguments. I will say upfront the link supports annihiliationism, but the arguments seem sound--I cannot find fault, even knowing what I know now about UR. Perhaps there is some tiny flaw in their logic that I am overlooking. Your comments for/against will be of tremendous assistance in helping me along the path to a final position on the eternal destiny of man's soul. It is a short read.
Supplemental: Another link, a longer read (but not an unreasonably longer one though it is much more detailed) goes into an excellent analysis of the various positions scholars take for the meaning of the Greek word at the heart of all these debates, "kolasis" from the verb, "kolazo". Hint: pre-Christ it meant "to prune; corrective" but by the time of Christ it had come to mean straight punishment without any corrective intentions attached to it. So which was Jesus using, the pre-Christ or the Christ contemporary?
thanks,it's nice to have a thread of refuge and rest.
LOL, SC - and thanks for kicking this thread off thrill-o-byte because I do have days when I am inclined to believe that there may be some among the human race who need to be destroyed and even in the book of Jude there is a hint of that where it speaks of "brute beasts made for destruction". I don't know when I'll have read your links - I'm going to check them out now. But I've got a cold and keep getting sleepy.
LOL, SC - and thanks for kicking this thread off thrill-o-byte because I do have days when I am inclined to believe that there may be some among the human race who need to be destroyed and even in the book of Jude there is a hint of that where it speaks of "brute beasts made for destruction". I don't know when I'll have read your links - I'm going to check them out now. But I've got a cold and keep getting sleepy.
Heartsong
Lots of Vitamin C, Heartsong. That's the only thing that ever cured my cold!
As I mentioned on trettap's thread, I am caught between annihiliationism and UR. It's horrible to be in such a divided state of mind but there is a reason for this. It may not be a good one, but here it is:
For those who are of either persuasion listed above (but not ET'ers by any means, unless they choose to invade solely for the purpose of disrupting the discussion with one of their diatribes) I know your time is valuable and it's nearly impossible to read every link posted on this board.
Nevertheless, I would be greatly appreciative if those who are so inclined and have the time would peruse the link below and point out the weaknesses or fallacies in his/her arguments. I will say upfront the link supports annihiliationism, but the arguments seem sound--I cannot find fault, even knowing what I know now about UR. Perhaps there is some tiny flaw in their logic that I am overlooking. Your comments for/against will be of tremendous assistance in helping me along the path to a final position on the eternal destiny of man's soul. It is a short read.
Supplemental: Another link, a longer read (but not an unreasonably longer one though it is much more detailed) goes into an excellent analysis of the various positions scholars take for the meaning of the Greek word at the heart of all these debates, "kolasis" from the verb, "kolazo". Hint: pre-Christ it meant "to prune; corrective" but by the time of Christ it had come to mean straight punishment without any corrective intentions attached to it. So which was Jesus using, the pre-Christ or the Christ contemporary?
I skimmed through the documents thrillobyte and I don't see anything that is contary to the UR view but I don't see much presented that is contrary to the annhilationist view. Moses wanting to be blotted out of the book of like to me is one of the great contradictions to annhilationism I have found. What should be understood though is that DEATH is actually annhilation. Meaning if that we were never to receive redemption and Life from our Lord Jesus Christ then the state we would be in is the annhilated state (we would have no thought or being - we would simply be perished) That is why annhilation can be easily seen in the scriptures. For it IS Death. But it is the many verses that we find showing triumph over that death that show annihilation to be temporary. I like to say that the scriptures teach BOTH annhilation and universal salvation. That all of us that die are annhilated but we are then given a resurrection from our annhilated state.
I skimmed through the documents thrillobyte and I don't see anything that is contary to the UR view but I don't see much presented that is contrary to the annhilationist view. Moses wanting to be blotted out of the book of like to me is one of the great contradictions to annhilationism I have found. What should be understood though is that DEATH is actually annhilation. Meaning if that we were never to receive redemption and Life from our Lord Jesus Christ then the state we would be in is the annhilated state (we would have no thought or being - we would simply be perished) That is why annhilation can be easily seen in the scriptures. For it IS Death. But it is the many verses that we find showing triumph over that death that show annihilation to be temporary. I like to say that the scriptures teach BOTH annhilation and universal salvation. That all of us that die are annhilated but we are then given a resurrection from our annhilated state.
Yes .... quite true ...... annihilation, and then there is resurrection which is the triumph over death and annihilation .....
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