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Old 01-04-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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Since the antediluvian civilzation was destroyed by God in the flood, there were seven people on the earth after the flood. Noah and family. God communicated with Noah. As the human population began to grow again, God provided knowledge of Himself. And He reiterated the fact that in the future a Messiah would come into the world to provide salvation. Those who believed the promise were looking ahead to the cross. The system of animal sacrifices which God had instituted immediately after Adam had sinned, continued. These sacrifices were a picture of Christ.

But man again began to forget about God and turned to idol worship - the sun and moon for example. In due course of time whole groups of people(s), had no desire to know the true God.
The evidence of Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, etc. suggests that people other than those descended from Noah's sons also populated the earth. These would have likely been created by God independent of Adam's race, as evolution of these species is impossible if we are to believe in Creationism. As such they would have had no connection to Shem, Ham and J. who were charged with making sure their direct descendants carried the knowledge of God to wherever they migrated to.

 
Old 01-04-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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The evidence of Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, etc. suggests that people other than those descended from Noah's sons also populated the earth. These would have likely been created by God independent of Adam's race, as evolution of these species is impossible if we are to believe in Creationism. As such they would have had no connection to Shem, Ham and J. who were charged with making sure their direct descendants carried the knowledge of God to wherever they migrated to.
The only seven people on the earth immediately after the flood were Noah and his family. Everyone alive today is descended from them. As for those who have been named Neanderthal man, here are a few links with information on that. Make of them what you will.

Neanderthal Man

Neandertal Man—the changing picture

Are Neanderthals the MISSING LINK between Man and apes?
 
Old 01-04-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Since the antediluvian civilzation was destroyed by God in the flood, there were seven people on the earth after the flood. Noah and family. God communicated with Noah. As the human population began to grow again, God provided knowledge of Himself. And He reiterated the fact that in the future a Messiah would come into the world to provide salvation. Those who believed the promise were looking ahead to the cross. The system of animal sacrifices which God had instituted immediately after Adam had sinned, continued. These sacrifices were a picture of Christ.

But man again began to forget about God and turned to idol worship - the sun and moon for example. In due course of time whole groups of people(s), had no desire to know the true God.

But God knows the human heart and He knew and had always known who would at the point of God consciousness have some bit, some spark of a curiosity about truly knowing God, or if they prefered to just worship their idols.

Look, today in the United States, where the gospel abounds, a great number of people have no interest in the true God. There are people who flat out reject God. There are people who prefer to worship Satan. There are people who prefer to worship 'mother earth'. There are people who don't believe in any kind of a supreme being.




See above.



This goes back to the fact that as the human race grew and spread out, the gospel went with man. But as people began to turn their backs on God and forget Him, they forgot the gospel message. But as I said, from eternity past, where God in His omnscience saw positive volition at the point of God conciousness, He designed into His plan of redemption, that in the outworking of human history, events would play out so that the gospel would get to that positive volition so that information pertaining to Jesus Christ would be presented.

God knew that whole populations of people in a given geographical area would not exhibit, even for generations, a desire to know God at the point of God consciousness. In areas where nothing but negitive volition exists God is not responsible to get the gospel to those areas.

And as I said, positive volition at the point of God consciousness, does not necessarily mean that there will be positive volition at the point of gospel hearig.





No. Justification occurs only when a person believes in Jesus Christ for salvation.

The simplist way I can express it is that where and when in the outworking of human history positive volition exists at the point of God consciousness, God will have from eternity past decreed that, using mans volition, events in human history would and will play out to get the gospel to that positive volition. And once again, positive volition at the moment of God consciousness does not mean that there will be positive volition toward the gospel. The gospel simply gives the positive volition that existed at that point of God consciousness the opportunity to hear and know the truth concerning Jesus Christ and the issue of salvation.

Mike, this really needs to stop. Jesus himself said if he had done the things he had done in Capernaum for the guys in B.C. they would have repented and believed.

This is all going according to plan. You just refuse to believe it.

The world was made in futility. Futility. Futility.

Jesus is the Savior of all (pas) men, especially (malista) of those who believe.

Believe it, or don't. It's up to you.
 
Old 01-04-2011, 06:42 PM
 
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How can anyone know the orthodox view of hell is correct unless they have been there. - ridiculous!
 
Old 01-04-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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How can anyone know the orthodox view of hell is correct unless they have been there. - ridiculous!
On the authority of and by the revelation of the word of the living God.
 
Old 01-04-2011, 09:07 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Mike, this really needs to stop. Jesus himself said if he had done the things he had done in Capernaum for the guys in B.C. they would have repented and believed.

This is all going according to plan. You just refuse to believe it.

The world was made in futility. Futility. Futility.

Jesus is the Savior of all (pas) men, especially (malista) of those who believe.

Believe it, or don't. It's up to you.
Correction: Jesus didn't include all the peoples from prior generations.
Jesus said if he had done the things he had done in Capernaum for the guys in Sodum and Gomorrah they would have repented and believed.

Jesus' point was that those in Capernaum was more evil than S & G because the people of Capernaum refused to repent and believe despite seeing everything.
 
Old 01-04-2011, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Correction: Jesus didn't include all the peoples from prior generations.
Jesus said if he had done the things he had done in Capernaum for the guys in Sodum and Gomorrah they would have repented and believed.

Jesus' point was that those in Capernaum was more evil than S & G because the people of Capernaum refused to repent and believe despite seeing everything.

What a very twisted way to interpret what Jesus said, twin.
 
Old 01-05-2011, 07:21 AM
 
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The only seven people on the earth immediately after the flood were Noah and his family.
What happened to the eighth person?
 
Old 01-05-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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What happened to the eighth person?
OOPS! Left out Noah's wife. Eight people it is.
 
Old 01-05-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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OOPS! Left out Noah's wife. Eight people it is.
Now do you the significance of it being 8?
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