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Old 01-02-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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If salvation is dependent upon the perfection of our own faith, then the majority of humanity (if not all people) are eternally damned which is a fallacy.
However, if it depends on the "Faithfulness of Christ" the author and finisher of our faith, then all will with certainty be saved despite any confusion.

Ephesians 4:13

until we all come to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.


Do you walk independently of the Holy Spirit?
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Old 01-02-2011, 01:56 PM
 
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Many don't believe that Christ is the Author and Finisher. Many think they must do their part towards being saved. They believe in co-savior theology and give theirselves credit for Faith. This thread is meant to dispell such false doctrine and show that BELIEVERS can only believe if God gives them belief.
Appears from the thoughts of these many, that they only see the south end of a north bound mule as they remain in their own stubbornness.
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nreasonably obstinate and stiff-necked; an innate quality which is adversarial by its very own nature or disposition.

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Old 01-02-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Appears from the thoughts of these many, that they only see the south end of a north bound mule as they remain in their own stubbornness.
Unreasonably obstinate and stiff-necked; an innate quality which is adversarial by its very own nature or disposition.
If God always gets His desire, then we must conclude that He desires that only 00.1% of the population see the 'truth' of UR. I assume only that percentage believe in it.

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Old 01-02-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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If God always gets His desire, then we must conclude that He desires that only 00.1% of the population see the 'truth' of UR. I assume only that percentage believe in it.
Yes, if people don't believe right now in UR, such as yourself then God intended it that way at this very time.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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Yes, if people don't believe right now in UR, such as yourself then God intended it that way at this very time.
And when Jesus said 'love your neighbor", He really desired most people to violate His command?
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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And when Jesus said 'love your neighbor", He really desired most people to violate His command?

Just the Jews to whom He gave the law.

God gave the law knowing full well in advance that not only would they not keep it but could not keep it:

Rom 8:6-8 For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace, (7) because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able." (8) Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.

God created mankind flesh and knew in advance before He created mankind flesh that the flesh would not be able to please God and would not be subject to the law of God.

So when God gave the law "Love your associate as yourself" He really intended them to fail so they would see their need for the Saviour.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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And when Jesus said 'love your neighbor", He really desired most people to violate His command?
No, He meant what He said but intended at this time that they wouldn't. In fact, He even said that "love of the many" would grow cold:

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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The key is to not err from the faith. Do not reject what Christ has offered you.
This is not about the god-father, as portrayed by Marlon Brando "I'll make you an offer you cant refuse" within the realm of your own acceptance or rejection.
Rather, it is what Christ was sent to accomplish, in and of himself. Humanity fails in their wishful-thinking.

"Man cannot comprehend the existence of error, when to deeply immersed in it."

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If God always gets His desire, then we must conclude that He desires that only 00.1% of the population see the 'truth' of UR. I assume only that percentage believe in it.
You see things in one dimension, that of your own understanding or those whom you follow on the path to their own destruction. Which is not what you or many others assume, although you quote the same Bible verses,
over and over again in your attempt to convince others from the point of your own perceptions or beliefs. Knowing that there is a greater hope for all humanity, through the Grace and Love of God, does not give anyone
a free-license to do as they please. This is another fallacy of men, who would damn the majority to a non-Scriptural underworld of Hades for a fallacious eternity. Not all are selected to teach, but many exalt themselves
thinking they have been born from above. If you had the faith of a child (the Son of God), you would not dare to refute his being the Savior of the World.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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Just the Jews to whom He gave the law.

God gave the law knowing full well in advance that not only would they not keep it but could not keep it:

Rom 8:6-8 For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace, (7) because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able." (8) Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.

God created mankind flesh and knew in advance before He created mankind flesh that the flesh would not be able to please God and would not be subject to the law of God.

So when God gave the law "Love your associate as yourself" He really intended them to fail so they would see their need for the Saviour.
So, when Jesus said 'love your neighbor', He actually desired us to hate our neighbors? If He meat the opposite of what He said, then what exactly was His desire? That we kill, rape and steal?

No, my friend, when He said "love your neighbor", He revealed His desire to us, which is that we should love our neighbor, and we should do it right now, today, not some time in the future.
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Old 01-02-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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No, He meant what He said but intended at this time that they wouldn't. In fact, He even said that "love of the many" would grow cold:

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
He desires we love each other, but knew many would not. He does not make anyone kill, steal and rape, because that is obviously not His desire.
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