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Old 01-02-2011, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The Bible says the wicked shall be consumed. (of course this is allegorical).

Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
The Psalm does not speak about after-life. It simply states that enemies of God will perish, and if you read the whole chapter you will see David talks about wicked people:


The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.
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Old 01-02-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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The Psalm does not speak about after-life. It simply states that enemies of God will perish, and if you read the whole chapter you will see David talks about wicked people:


The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.
I disagree, but I have many verses to choose from. Here is another:

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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I disagree, but I have many verses to choose from. Here is another:

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

................10.... BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH SO AS TO BE SAVED.

Simply put, they are Annihilated. Destroyed. Consumed.

Is there a part 2 for those people? Nope! They are judged, then gone.
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Washington State
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................10.... BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH SO AS TO BE SAVED.

Simply put, they are Annihilated. Destroyed. Consumed.

Is there a part 2 for those people? Nope! They are judged, then gone.

What do you think Daniel is talking about when he speaks of God raising everybody back up for aionion life or aionion punishment? I'm guessing you think they will be allowed to live for 1000 years and then destroyed if they don't want to exist anymore?

So much for clay.
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
And what the Spirit perfectly unites; no man can separate.

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Old 01-02-2011, 09:42 PM
 
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................10.... BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH SO AS TO BE SAVED.

Simply put, they are Annihilated. Destroyed. Consumed.

Is there a part 2 for those people? Nope! They are judged, then gone.
See Finn_Jarber, HotinAZ believes they are consumed also.
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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This thread is one of the most powerful indicements of Eternal torment that I have started. The subject is much more constricted in how it can be intepreted and is a trap for the ETers. Mike (the usual ETer slinger) has pretty much been slow to respond here verses others threads. I hope he wakes up and re-engages along with the other disbelievers. After all, we need them here. We need them for our own gain that we might produce fruit.
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Old 01-03-2011, 04:43 AM
 
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We need them for our own gain that we might produce fruit.
That is the scariest thing I have read yet on this forum.

Producing fruit, is going out and proclaming Christ THROUGH YOUR actions, deeds and words. Gaining converts to UR is NOT one of them. People will come to UR if they are led to. There have been many who have gone this way, which I believe now to be wrong, but there are many who are coming to Christ based upon other's beliefs in their actions. Even good ol ET, which I disagree with besides for the devil and his angels.

This isn't some sort of contest. Proclaim your beliefs, as we do ours, and let the people come to Him on their own time, as the Spirit leads. If they follow, then they will come into the Truth. If not, then the devil will have at their hearts, and chew them up.

Follow NO man. Follow the Spirit.
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Old 01-03-2011, 04:46 AM
 
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What do you think Daniel is talking about when he speaks of God raising everybody back up for aionion life or aionion punishment? I'm guessing you think they will be allowed to live for 1000 years and then destroyed if they don't want to exist anymore?

So much for clay.
Read Daniel 12:1-3. Slowly, and let the Spirit awake you.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I disagree, but I have many verses to choose from. Here is another:

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
It talks about what will happen to Satan during the 2nd coming. The 'wicked' here is 'the lawless one', and he will be revealed and overthrown. You are arguing simply for the sake of arguing and throw in any out of context verse you can find and hope it works. I am not going to play this game with you, expecially when you say you do this 'for your own gain'.

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