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Old 01-03-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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To the contrary. The unbeliever has no human spirit and is therefore a dichotomous being. Spiritually dead.

Believe what you want. But I suggest your avail yourself of the opportunity to learn some basic Bible doctrine.
All believers and unbelievers have a spirit. Your only physically dead once the spirit is removed from the body.
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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I am amazed, though not surprised, at the utter lack of even the most basic knowledge of Bible doctrine displayed by most believers, not only on this forum, but believers in general.
Is it the lack of knowledge or the practice of interpreting the convoluted passages and wording into meaning exactly what the reader want it to say.

A person that knows the bible well can prove or disprove anything and everything with a combination of cherry picking and interpretation of the meaning of some rather vague passages. The only requirement is that it matches the agenda of that individual harvesting what they wants supported.

How else do you explain the polar opposites of bible interpretations as exhibited by ET'ers and UR'ers?

And clearly exhibits the danger of basing anything on such a book, as like a dictionary, anything can be supported by selective extraction of contents.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:04 PM
 
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As I said, I will not waste time arguing with you. Your statement in the second paragraph is false. What you state in the last half of your statement has nothing to do with the first part of the statement. It is you who don't know what you are talking about.

Now none of this has anything to do with the topic of this thread. Keep your accusations off of this thread.

My comments are linked to what you have also stated in this thread about babies. It is not off topic at all. When someone takes the position of declaring truth, then they are subject to question and that is the right of a believer to question and point out problems with what another believer claims is truth. That is from scripture so deal with it as a believer.

This is one sad state in most churches is that there is the underlying problem of questioning what a church teaches as if it is wrong and it absolutely is not.

You take a scriptural position of truth concerning automatic salvation of a human being and have stated that you cannot support it with scripture. But you invoke the right to make a safe assumption, there is nothing false there, you know good and well you said it.

Since you stated in this thread that babies automatically are saved if they die, now is your chance to demonstrate it with scripture. Otherwise, those human beings are subject to being born inherantly into sin and subject to Gods judgment when they die regardless of their age or state of knowledge judged by another human being.


Are you now denying that you made this "safe assumption" because you could not scripturally support it?
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Is it the lack of knowledge or the practice of interpreting the convoluted passages and wording into meaning exactly what the reader want it to say.

A person that knows the bible well can prove or disprove anything and everything with a combination of cherry picking and interpretation of the meaning of some rather vague passages. The only requirement is that it matches the agenda of that individual harvesting what they wants supported.

How else do you explain the polar opposites of bible interpretations as exhibited by ET'ers and UR'ers?

And clearly exhibits the danger of basing anything on such a book, as like a dictionary, anything can be supported by selective extraction of contents.
Going back to the original languages clears up a LOT of the confusion. ETers don't have a leg to stand on when people start doing that. The polar opposites came about because URers figured out what those original scriptures say, but the ET pastors and teachers are still trying to keep people in the dark, playing the part of Priest to the uneducated masses.

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Old 01-03-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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All believers and unbelievers have a spirit. Your only physically dead once the spirit is removed from the body.
No, they do not. Only the believer has a human spirit. The unbeliever has only body and soul. At physical death the soul and human spirit of the believer goes into the presence of God, while the soul of the unbeliever goes to hades.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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Mike do babies go to hades?
No.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:25 PM
 
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Psalm 1 Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,
2 but whose delight is in the law of the LORD,
and who meditates on his law day and night
.
3
That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not witheró
whatever they do prospers.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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No, they do not. Only the believer has a human spirit. The unbeliever has only body and soul. At physical death the soul and human spirit of the believer goes into the presence of God, while the soul of the unbeliever goes to hades.

Mike, say hello to Plato and the Greeks for me. Thanks.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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Is it the lack of knowledge or the practice of interpreting the convoluted passages and wording into meaning exactly what the reader want it to say.

A person that knows the bible well can prove or disprove anything and everything with a combination of cherry picking and interpretation of the meaning of some rather vague passages. The only requirement is that it matches the agenda of that individual harvesting what they wants supported.

How else do you explain the polar opposites of bible interpretations as exhibited by ET'ers and UR'ers?

And clearly exhibits the danger of basing anything on such a book, as like a dictionary, anything can be supported by selective extraction of contents.
It is both.

Many believers simply aren't interested in making the effort to study. To them, it is a matter of 'okay God, I am saved, now leave me alone and I'll see you in heaven',

Many people do indeed twist the scriptures to validate their prefered beliefs. However, there is only one correct interpretation of something that is revealed in the Bible. It is human nature that is at fault for causing confusion. Not the Bible. Yes, some things are harder to understand then others. But many people are not interested in what is actually revealed in the Bible, only in supporting what they already believe. And they will not be swayed from what they choose to believe. For them it is 'don't bother me with the facts.'
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:42 PM
 
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Psalm 1 Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,
2 but whose delight is in the law of the LORD,
and who meditates on his law day and night
.
3
That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not witheró
whatever they do prospers.
There is much wisdom to be gained from the Psalms and Proverbs.
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