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Old 01-03-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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No.
Babies don't go to hades? Sure they do, we all do. Hades is the grave.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:12 PM
 
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That is not what the scriptures show. A soul is the combination of a body and spirit.
Indeed, the scriptures speak specifically of the spirit of Pharaoh(Gen 41:8) ...
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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It is both.

Many believers simply aren't interested in making the effort to study. To them, it is a matter of 'okay God, I am saved, now leave me alone and I'll see you in heaven',

Many people do indeed twist the scriptures to validate their prefered beliefs. However, there is only one correct interpretation of something that is revealed in the Bible. It is human nature that is at fault for causing confusion. Not the Bible. Yes, some things are harder to understand then others. But many people are not interested in what is actually revealed in the Bible, only in supporting what they already believe. And they will not be swayed from what they choose to believe. For them it is 'don't bother me with the facts.'
Purely for the sake of discussion lets assume for a moment that the bolded part is correct. Are you sure that your interpretation is the correct one, after all, as you stated, you are also human, and also suffer from the malady of human nature
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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Jam 2:26
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.


Yeah, the above verse does throw a wrench in the whole idea that people who are not Christian have no spirits.
No it doesn't.

The Greek word translated as Spirit is Pneumatos. It also means wind, and breath.

The Greek word translated as Soul is Psuche. It also means life, self, breath of life.


Both words have in their range of meanings - breath.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:18 PM
 
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No it doesn't.

The Greek word translated as Spirit is Pneumatos. It also means wind, and breath.

The Greek word translated as Soul is Psuche. It also means life, self, breath of life.


Both words have in their range of meanings - breath.
Okay, so according to you, the word "pneuma" in this verse only means breath?

While in every other place it means spirit literally?

Whatever it takes to make the scriptures fit your understanding.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:19 PM
 
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Babies don't go to hades? Sure they do, we all do. Hades is the grave.
Hades is not the grave.

Those who care to can go into this old thread of mine, where that has been covered.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...s-gehenna.html
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:27 PM
 
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No it doesn't.

The Greek word translated as Spirit is Pneumatos. It also means wind, and breath.

The Greek word translated as Soul is Psuche. It also means life, self, breath of life.


Both words have in their range of meanings - breath.
Dead souls know nothing in the grave. That's the Bible, although you disagree and call the writers of the Bible liars.


From L. Ray Smith - Exposing Those Who Contradict

Because of the shameful way these words are translated and interchanged in the Authorized Version, it is nearly impossible to understand their true meanings without an exhaustive concordance.



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Old 01-03-2011, 07:28 PM
 
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Hades is not the grave.

Those who care to can go into this old thread of mine, where that has been covered.

www.city-data.com/forum/christianty/1010026-tartarus-sheol-hades-gehenna.html

Here is a good link from non-UR Christians who don't believe in mythology:

All about Sheol and hell
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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Hades is not the grave.

Those who care to can go into this old thread of mine, where that has been covered.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...s-gehenna.html
I don't need to wade through a bunch of posts when I got the Word of God. It is clearly the grave and interpreted the Grave often.

Here is everywhere that Hades is used:

Gen_37:35; Gen_42:38; Gen_44:29; Gen_44:31; Num_16:30; Num_16:33; 1Sa_2:6; 1Ki_2:6; 1Ki_2:9; Job_7:9; Job_11:8; Job_14:13; Job_17:13; Job_17:16; Job_21:13; Job_26:6; Job_33:22; Job_38:17; Psa_6:5; Psa_9:17; Psa_16:10; Psa_18:5; Psa_30:3; Psa_31:17; Psa_49:14; Psa_49:15; Psa_55:15; Psa_86:13; Psa_88:3; Psa_89:48; Psa_94:17; Psa_115:17; Psa_116:3; Psa_139:8; Psa_141:7; Pro_1:12; Pro_2:18; Pro_5:5; Pro_7:27; Pro_9:18; Pro_14:12; Pro_15:11; Pro_15:24; Pro_16:25; Pro_27:20; Pro_30:16; Ecc_9:10; Son_8:6; Isa_5:14; Isa_14:9; Isa_14:11; Isa_14:15; Isa_14:19; Isa_28:15; Isa_28:18; Isa_38:10; Isa_38:18; Isa_57:9; Eze_31:15; Eze_31:16; Eze_31:17; Eze_32:27; Hos_13:14; Amo_9:2; Jon_2:2; Hab_2:5; Mat_11:23; Mat_16:18; Luk_10:15; Luk_16:23; Act_2:27; Act_2:31; Rev_1:18; Rev_6:8; Rev_20:13; Rev_20:14;
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:46 PM
 
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It is always just a matter of time until the URs come in and start cramming UR down every one's throats, no matter what the topic of the thread was.
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