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Old 01-04-2011, 12:59 AM
 
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You don't overcome bondage by being placed back into bondage.
Unless of course, you believe in Psycho-Babel.

(No offense to those who are Psychologists)
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:56 AM
 
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you can "take it to the bank "on having been fulfilled in Judas' children's lives, besides also in the lives of the others who were responsible for the betrayal of the LORD, who did it with will, knowing who He was
Where would you be now if these hadn't fulfilled their role?

Also, what if Judas' kids became believers?
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:59 AM
 
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Where would you be now if these hadn't fulfilled their role?

Also, what if Judas' kids became believers?
How do we know Judas had kids? He was a chosen follower of Jesus and then committed suicide. Did he leave his family to follow Christ? I would figure most of the 12 Disciples were likely single. In any case, I am always astonished when someone states something we can't possibly know, such as that Judas had children that were cursed. Yet, then again, David was a man with bloody hands - something to consider in the depths of spiritual layers from the scriptures.
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Old 01-04-2011, 03:23 AM
 
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How do we know Judas had kids?
Because Peter in acts 1 tied Judas to the Psalm about the kids of the betrayer being cursed.
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Yet, then again, David was a man with bloody hands - something to consider in the depths of spiritual layers from the scriptures.
Yes, David was very PO'd at his enemies and Peter applied David's anger rant toward Judas and ascribed divine origins to the rant.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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Where would you be now if these hadn't fulfilled their role?

Also, what if Judas' kids became believers?
Peter, speaking by the anointing of the Holy Spirit applied the curse
of Psalm 109 and 69 specifically to Judas. Now you have to decide how to re-write the Bible and the facts as they stand, but I do not.
The OP is dealing with Believers who want to be free from bondages of curses upon their lives, and the reference to the curse the Holy Spirit put upon Judas [and equally upon those who willfully betrayed innocent blood] was brought in to show that curses are real, even in NT times, when someone denied that they are real, or that God curses not only nations, but individuals, for reasons He defines, with warnings.
One who is subject to a generational curse after becoming a Believer in the Gospel of Christ and receiving Christ as Savior and being born again must needs have that curse broken, and the Cross is central to that power to break curses, but the work of Christ on the cross for breaking the curse must be applied, and the teaching of Derek Prince gives the biblical answers to breaking the power of curses and yokes of bondage over a Believing soul.


Jesus warned Judas beforehand, even quoting from Enoch, on the state of his eternal future: "It would have been good for that man if he had never been born" . Judas was a "son of perdition", states Jesus, a willfull participant in the betrayal and slaying of an innocent man. He had no repentance and his family was cursed with the curse put on them by the Holy Spirit in Psalm 109 and 69.


[On never being born being good for him: since he would have to have been conceived, as all Adam seed is written in the Book of Life to come into their being at their appointed time, with their days boundaried and body parts written in that Book of Life, then, since Judas eternal state is so damned with the horrors of his deed upon him forever, then it would have been good if he had not come to birth, but had died in the womb -a lament of Job, in his own grief, BTW- for then he would be covered by the Atonement and would have had a part in the resurrection to life, according to the doctrine of the Word of God]

Mr 14:21 "The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had neverbeenborn."

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15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) 16 and said, “Brothers and sisters,[d] the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus. 17 He was one of our number and shared in our ministry.”
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20 “For,” said Peter, “it is written in the Book of Psalms:
“‘May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,’[Psalm 69:25]
and,
“‘May another take his place of leadership.’[Psalm 109:8]
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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Because Peter in acts 1 tied Judas to the Psalm about the kids of the betrayer being cursed.
Yes, David was very PO'd at his enemies and Peter applied David's anger rant toward Judas and ascribed divine origins to the rant.
You know, Derek Prince deals with the power to bless and curse that is in our words, and gives somber warning to Believers on not speaking carelessly.
When Joshua cursed the one who would rebuild Jericho with the cost of the loss of the lives of his firstborn and lastborn sons, and that curse was fullfilled 500 years later, the recording of that in 1 Kings 16:34 states that the Holy Spirit spoke those words of cursing through the mouth of Joshua, also.
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In Ahab's time, Hiel of Bethel rebuilt Jericho. He laid its foundations at the cost of his firstborn son Abiram, and he set up its gates at the cost of his youngest son Segub, in accordance with the word of the LORD spoken by Joshua son of Nun.
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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It is a scientific fact: We inherit crud from our parents. This is also a fact: We influence our children. Another fact: Governments can corrupt their citizens through bad governing and oppression. Sowing and reaping. Simple stuff. There are no generational curses. There is no evil eye. You can't curse others. God is in control. When we allow others to control us through fear, mind control, threats, etc. many things can happen, but is has nothing to do with the "dark side."



Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. 2

Kings 14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Jeremiah 31:29-30 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity.

Ezekiel18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Excellent post.

Remember being a newbie christian when The Exorcist came out....yikes. Glad those days are over with.
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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Excellent post.

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The Exorcist was of the devil, precisely created as a tool to hide his evil and dark kingdom from the eyes of the masses, by giving them fear. I never watched any such thing, but I have been present when demons were cast out, and they came out in the same manner as is written in the New Testament, in many different places.
As was previously stated: no one dies the eternal death =the second death which is the separation from God forever, in the Lake of Fire for their father's sins, but the generations are cursed to the fourth generation of those that hate God, and those curses are generational curses, and they take many forms.
Generational curses are -but not limited to:
a chain of suicide in families
cancers recurring in families
alcoholism in families
divorce and remarriage in families
early death in families from many different diseases that are genetic in those families, like heart disease, diabetes, and so on and so forth.
mental illnesses in families, of the same sorts, which afflict from generation to generation.

Curses are evil spirits, whether satans or demons, who afflict the bodies or minds -or both- of those whom they have legal rights to trouble. Paul had an evil spirit afflicting his flesh sent from God, which he prayed three times for God to remove and God spoke to him that the evil spirit was sent to be a thorn in his flesh lest he should exalt himself above measure, because of the abundance of revelations -eye opening understandings of the written Word- given to him.
He sought the LORD, and the LORD replied to him three times, and Paul accepted the affliction in his flesh because of the reason it was sent. However, not many Believers have been used to spread the Gospel with the insights Paul had, and so they have no excuse to claim that they are to be humble by the cursed affliction in the flesh, and besides, they have not sought God for relief and had the answer directly from Him, anyway, that Paul had.

When Jesus came, He came to free the sons and daughters of Abraham =children of faith, who were redeemed by faith, in Israel- from the evil spirits and demons that afflicted them. He did not try to convince them that the demons were not real, nor did He leave them bound.
There are no less demons today, tormenting mankind, than when Jesus Christ took on flesh and walked on earth, and sons and daughters of "Faith" have the legal rights to be set free from the curses that bind them.

Will you please listen to the teaching before making irresponsible statements about the matter at hand? He is a Bible teacher, and called by the Holy Spirit to be so, and instructs in the Word, and how to be free, for those bound.

There are many infirmities afflicting the children of Faith, This teaching is offered to give them the tools to be set free from the afflictions binding them, whether physical or mental.

A daughter of Faith, freed from the bondage of an infirmity of the spine, was bound by Satan -an evil spirit, for eighteen years!
Luk 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up [herself].
Luk 13:12 And when Jesus saw her, he called [her to him], and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
Luk 13:13 And he laid [his] hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
Luk 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

Jesus did not say to the woman, "your sins are forgiven you, be made whole": rather He called her a daughter of faith, and loosed her from a bondage of an evil spirit, which made her infirm and unable to stand up straight.
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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The reason we believe in curses in my opinion, is because we do not believe the total victory Jesus accomplished through his death, burial, resurrection and ascension to glory.

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Galatians 3:13-14

We are redeemed from the curse,christianity without realizing it,is handing out the curse.
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:56 PM
 
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A true Christian has received the Holy Spirit. "He who is within you is greater than he who is without". A curse can't harm the Holy Spirit or one who is filled with the Holy Spirit.
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