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Mat 10:28
And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.
Or did he actually say ... ?
Luke 12:4
And I say to you, my friends, be not afraid of those killing the body, and after these things are not having anything over to do; but I will show to you, whom ye may fear; Fear him who, after the killing, is having authority to cast to the gehenna; yes, I say to you, Fear ye Him.
Many people think that the words above in both verses amount to the same thing, but as far as understanding theology and proper doctrine, the two verses lend to altogether different ideas.
For instance, is the human soul immortal? Matthew seems to indicate that it is(or at least could be construed to say as much), while the verse in Luke does not.
What do you think?
Edit:
I chose to use the Youngs literal translation because i believe it is the most accurate as far as the original Greek is concerned.
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 01-04-2011 at 04:45 PM..
For instance, is the human soul immortal? Matthew seems to indicate that it is(or at least could be construed to say as much), while the verse in Luke does not.
Mat 10:28
And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.
Or did he actually say ... ?
Luke 12:4
And I say to you, my friends, be not afraid of those killing the body, and after these things are not having anything over to do; but I will show to you, whom ye may fear; Fear him who, after the killing, is having authority to cast to the gehenna; yes, I say to you, Fear ye Him.
Many people think that the words above in both verses amount to the same thing, but as far as understanding theology and proper doctrine, the two verses lend to altogether different ideas.
For instance, is the human soul immortal? Matthew seems to indicate that it is(or at least could be construed to say as much), while the verse in Luke does not.
What do you think?
Edit:
I chose to use the Youngs literal translation because i believe it is the most accurate as far as the original Greek is concerned.
Maybe it's not a case of every soul not being immortal, but only those who die without Christ. Maybe God intends to destroy those souls, I don't know.
In any case, it really doesn't concern me because I'm not going to judgment day without my Savior. What happens to those who reject Christ in this life is their problem.
You can have your soul or enjoyment of soulish sensations in the kingdom to come be destroyed in Gehenna.
In the other verse, others are not able to kill your enjoyment of kingdom pleasures after I (Jesus) give you immortality.
If you don't kill your soul now (or kill or put to death your earthly sensual pleasures now) you will not get those pleasures in the future kingdom. But if you do kill or put to get your sensual, soulish pleasures now and follow me and die to yourselves you will get your soul or soulish pleasures in the future kingdom.
Mat 10:28
And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.
Or did he actually say ... ?
Luke 12:4
And I say to you, my friends, be not afraid of those killing the body, and after these things are not having anything over to do; but I will show to you, whom ye may fear; Fear him who, after the killing, is having authority to cast to the gehenna; yes, I say to you, Fear ye Him.
Many people think that the words above in both verses amount to the same thing, but as far as understanding theology and proper doctrine, the two verses lend to altogether different ideas.
For instance, is the human soul immortal? Matthew seems to indicate that it is(or at least could be construed to say as much), while the verse in Luke does not.
What do you think?
Edit:
I chose to use the Youngs literal translation because i believe it is the most accurate as far as the original Greek is concerned.
Gehenna is the word used in these verses, not Hades. Gehenna was the dump.
All I know is that the ultra-religious Jews would have been horrified if they had ended up in Gehenna (translated "hell"), the town dump. If Jesus was saying, "Hey, you religious guys are going to be killed and your bodies are going to be dumped out with the garbage with no proper burial," that wasn't a small deal. Why preachers say this has anything to do with people sitting in the pews today, I can't imagine.
The soul will die when it is lost in hell, but the human spirit will never die .......in Isaiah 66: 24...``the men that have transgressed against me for theirs worms shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched``..... see their worms is another metafore for spirit of this dead people
I think people missed the point of the OP ... The point of the op is that Christ could not have said both things ... Both Luke and Mathew record him as having said different things.
I think people missed the point of the OP ... The point of the op is that Christ could not have said both things ... Both Luke and Mathew record him as having said different things.
Mat 10:28
And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.
Or did he actually say ... ?
Luke 12:4
And I say to you, my friends, be not afraid of those killing the body, and after these things are not having anything over to do; but I will show to you, whom ye may fear; Fear him who, after the killing, is having authority to cast to the gehenna; yes, I say to you, Fear ye Him.
Many people think that the words above in both verses amount to the same thing, but as far as understanding theology and proper doctrine, the two verses lend to altogether different ideas.
For instance, is the human soul immortal? Matthew seems to indicate that it is(or at least could be construed to say as much), while the verse in Luke does not.
What do you think?
Edit:
I chose to use the Youngs literal translation because i believe it is the most accurate as far as the original Greek is concerned.
Yet another thread that says the Bible can't be trusted. I think you like Young's translation cuz it makes it easier to support your theological POV. Much like the JWs who use their unique translation of the Bible to support their theology.
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Why do UR folk want to push the idea that one cannot trust what 98% of translations say?
Maybe this whole thing about being redeemed by Jesus is just some mistranslation.
I don't think that is the case, but just saying that if we doubt one part of the Bible, what's to say the rest is not bunk?
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