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Old 01-08-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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For those of you who say that an Atheist does not have the love Christ in them.How do you know?What are you judging them by?

If a stranger offers you something to eat when you are hungry, a ride to the doctor when you have no car, a kidney for yourself when you need it, a bone marrow transplant for your child. Do you KNOW if he is Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or anyone who believes differently than you do that only those you THINK have Christs love in them do these things.

Christ's love is within all of us..He makes Himself known through whom He pleases. All of us. We are all his creation. Not one of us holds a monopoly on what love isor who is allowed to show the love of Christ that is implanted in all of us from the beginning.


Right on, Miss Blue.
Beautifully said!

 
Old 01-08-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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June's not sure what "conclusion" she should come to as this thread has taken more twists and turns than she ever expected. She's wondering if she shouldn't have gone to Paris, instead! --She certainly didn't expect that an atheist's visit to the Bible Belt would result in twenty pages, but she is grateful to all of those who posted a response.

In some strange sense, given the disagreeing that has transpired herein, June can't help but think that it did, in fact, answer the question she initially proposed. It would appear to June that no matter where one is, there is little to be agreed upon within the realms of "Christianity." June clearly didn't need to leave home to realize that; she just hadn't experienced it in "real life" in quite the manner in which she did down south. To disagree (in June's opinion) is not a bad thing. What is interesting is to see the ways in which Christians disagree, and as adamanetly so! --Be it here, on this forum, or in different parts of the country. Sometimes this leaves June wondering just what all Christians DO agree about within their religious faith and beliefs...

June liked the south. Even in winter, it appeared very lovely, and she appreciated much of her experience while down there. It is, indeed, a culture vastly different from her life as lived here in the northeast. She can't help but wonder though, at the end of the day, whether that Pastor's yelling at the end of the service wasn't somehow analogous to the empassioned debating and extent to which everyone seems to disagree here on this forum. The same degree or amount of passion would seem to exist, so if nothing else, she is now better able to understand and put into context the Pastor's words and actions....

So what June's getting at here is that you all did, in fact, in the end lead June to a far better understanding of an experience that she initially found quite curious. She has also found that she has a far greater understanding on a much different level now than she did prior to her visit to the south. --Yet what will forever confound her are the vast differences and variances of a religion built and/or based on love and unity. On the one hand, even to the likes of "just June" it would appear to be so easy, yet outside influences would appear to make it far from being so. All in all, June can only say that she finds the whole entire issue fascinating.

--That, along with the fact that June can, and does love!

(June had to throw that one in, Robin, not out of unkindness, but simply because it is the truth!) -June loves you too, Robin!


Take gentle vast differences care....
i'am glad for you June and us too. somethings need to be brought out in the open for disinfection.
 
Old 01-08-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Christ's love is within all of us...He makes Himself known through whom He pleases. All of us. We are all his creation. Not one of us holds a monopoly on what love is, or who is allowed to show the love of Christ that is implanted in all of us from the beginning.
Now, we are talking and walking in the Spirit of the day.

 
Old 01-08-2011, 01:05 PM
 
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Let June start off by saying that she in no possible way means any disrespect to anyone's denominational beliefs or mindset. Likewise, let it be said that June tends to regard herself as a fairly open minded person who tends to strive quite hard to understand and accept where others are coming from; be it culturally (religiously denominational) or otherwise.

June just spent a week in the Bible Belt. As the people she was spending her visit with are Christians, June naturally went to church with them come Sunday morning. (June had only attended a very few church services up north, at home, prior to this, in being friends with two ministers...)

June's question is this: How does one account for the vast divide that would clearly seem to exist across demographics? Why such a difference in mindset in the bible belt as opposed to here, up north? June actually spent a good amount of time talking with the pastor who ran the service; June is someone who wishes to understand other's beliefs and how they apply to real life. --And yet, June is confused as regards what the northern ministers would have to say versus what she experienced in the south. (And NO disrespect is meant or intended here to anyone who resides in the south. Truly!)

Perhaps what June is really asking is this: If you all really have ONE God, then what accounts for such vast variations in terms of your understanding of him, and how do you all reconcile that? June has clearly been on this forum long enough to know that such divides exist, but she is curious as to what other's responses would be...Perhaps as being a "northern intellectual atheist" she was completely unprepared for what she experienced, overall, but still has come away wondering: How do YOU all reconcile the differences that exist, and how do they matter and translate into one's real life as a Christian?

Thanks to all (in advance) who respond here.



Take gentle helpful care.
Juno, considering Christianity and its various forms in America are nowhere close to the actual concept propagated by the Apostles and first century Christians, the vast divide is something of their own making

Little do they know they have subscribed themselves to a completely different religion, with exception to the Greek Orthodox Church and pre-Constantine catholicism, which have a major chunk of what the Apostles taught. Otherwise, the Bible belt is largely a scam unto itself
 
Old 01-08-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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If you agree to be civil...I will answer.
The irony for me is that
  • Jesus continually referred to the written word never claimed them to be in error.
  • The Apostles claimed that what they were writing was also scripture.
  • The last surviving Apostle was told to write down these words for they are true (Rev)
  • Jesus guarantees that scripture will stay with us
The irony for me is the opinion of your irony of the Bible.
Do not take anything I say personally . . . it is a generic critique of the point of view you proclaim as God's truth.

The only written word was the OT which spoke of Jesus (Messiah) and the prophesies that would validate Him. That is what was not in error and is what He came to fulfill.

The apostles also indicated that it was "milk" . . . not complete information . . because they were still carnal and incapable of understanding.

John of Patmos was not an apostle.

Scripture 1.) validates Christ; 2.) is USEFUL (profitable) for instruction in righteousness (providing many examples, illustrations, allegories and parables); and 3.) for providing hope.

Christ lifts the veil of ignorance over reading the OT to reveal the TRUE NATURE of God. Mainstream Christianity retains the veil of ignorance and defeats the message and example of Christ by promoting the ancient primitive superstitious beliefs about God . . . instead of the Good News of Christ. The irrational merger of two such opposing descriptions and beliefs about the nature of God is the greatest corruption of Christ's message of love, period. Using the descriptions and threats of a genocidal murderous megalomaniacal tyrant god supposedly to instill "love of God and each other" . . . is an insane abomination and corruption of the concept of love.

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Agreed...
You would.
 
Old 01-08-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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What ever...
was this said in Christ's love?
 
Old 01-08-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Do not take anything I say personally . . . it is a generic critique of the point of view you proclaim as God's truth.

The only written word was the OT which spoke of Jesus (Messiah) and the prophesies that would validate Him. That is what was not in error and is what He came to fulfill.

The apostles also indicated that it was "milk" . . . not complete information . . because they were still carnal and incapable of understanding.

John of Patmos was not an apostle.

Scripture 1.) validates Christ; 2.) is USEFUL (profitable) for instruction in righteousness (providing many examples, illustrations, allegories and parables); and 3.) for providing hope.

Christ lifts the veil of ignorance over reading the OT to reveal the TRUE NATURE of God. Mainstream Christianity retains the veil of ignorance and defeats the message and example of Christ by promoting the ancient primitive superstitious beliefs about God . . . instead of the Good News of Christ. The irrational merger of two such opposing descriptions and beliefs about the nature of God is the greatest corruption of Christ's message of love, period. Using the descriptions and threats of a genocidal murderous megalomaniacal tyrant god supposedly to instill "love of God and each other" . . . is an insane abomination and corruption of the concept of love.

You would.
So, you are saying that the OT is trash?...
 
Old 01-08-2011, 01:16 PM
 
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was this said in Christ's love?
That kind of psycology does not work on me...sarcasm...which i believe should be deleted...but, probably won't because your name is not Richard1965...I just meant i give up...
 
Old 01-08-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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For those of you who say that an Atheist does not have the love Christ in them.How do you know?What are you judging them by?

If a stranger offers you something to eat when you are hungry, a ride to the doctor when you have no car, a kidney for yourself when you need it, a bone marrow transplant for your child. Do you KNOW if he is Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or anyone who believes differently than you do that only those you THINK have Christs love in them do these things.

Christ's love is within all of us..He makes Himself known through whom He pleases. All of us. We are all his creation. Not one of us holds a monopoly on what love is or who is allowed to show the love of Christ that is implanted in all of us from the beginning.
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Miss Blue you are genius. worth your salt in gold i tell you!
you are welcome to our family's supper table anytime. Amen
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Right on, Miss Blue.
Beautifully said!
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Now, we are talking and walking in the Spirit of the day.

Let me join the well-deserved chorus of praise and appreciation for the love of God expressed by Miss Blue!!
 
Old 01-08-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Do not take anything I say personally . . . it is a generic critique of the point of view you proclaim as God's truth..
Ok Mystic,

but you know if I was your ancestor, it would be very hard pressed not to take your opinion offensively.
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