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Old 01-10-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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What do you base your faith on?...
What I know in my heart.

 
Old 01-10-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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Not at all, Jesus saves but the Bible is our guide book in this world.
So for you to think June isn't saved because she hasn't recited your religious words or accepted the image you project from your perspective shows that you are not walking in the spirit as you claim, otherwise you would recognize Jesus spirit without the need for certain words to be used.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: MICHIGAN
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Primitive superstitious misunderstanding of scripture and the NT covenant . . . "Love God and each other." We do not need to do anything to be saved. Our entire species was saved from eternal separation from God by Jesus. We need to work out our own sanctification and build upon what Jesus accomplished for us all. We will reap what we sow . . . but we are all saved . . . as by fire. The more agape love we produce the better. The more selfish non-love we produce the more we will lose. But we are ALL saved.
HOGWASH! "Depart from me ye that work iniquity, I never knew you." Sound saved to you?
 
Old 01-10-2011, 11:29 AM
 
Location: MICHIGAN
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What I know in my heart.
"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?"
 
Old 01-10-2011, 11:39 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?"
This kind of heart isn't

“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds Hebrews 10:16

And you know what the best thing about it is, is that believer is discovering daily all those laws, he has put there, (not laws of sin death and condemnation but the laws of life) , all the principles of living out the abundant life he has given us are contained right in our heart. How wonderful is that.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?"

So basically, you are asserting, from your own perspective that your heart is deceitful and desperatly wicked.
 
Old 01-10-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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So for you to think June isn't saved because she hasn't recited your religious words or accepted the image you project from your perspective shows that you are not walking in the spirit as you claim, otherwise you would recognize Jesus spirit without the need for certain words to be used.
Never said that but the Bible is quite clear on the subject and she claims to be an athiest.

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Old 01-10-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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We can handle it. We simply utterly reject your false characterization of our ability to love.

In one of your posts, you complained about people judging you without even knowing you. It doesn't feel good, does it? But that's exactly what you are doing when you say that anyone who is not in the Christian religion does not really love.

You said our love is only lust.

I certainly know the love that exists in my (agnostic) heart and I find your uninformed opinion an insult. After all, you are judging me and all agnostics/atheists without knowing us.

I know when I give to the food bank and rescue stray animals, it's out of love and empathy. I know how upset I get when people are suffering. I know that when my family or friends have needs or are suffering, and I help to fulfill those needs or stop their suffering, it is out of love. It's because I care.

Robin, your opinion that I don't feel love is insulting, but it's ultimately meaningless.

BTW, wasn't the Good Samaritan considered to be the "wrong religion"? Yet he was held up as an example of love and empathy. The priest and the Levite ignored their fellow Jew who'd been beaten, robbed, and left for dead. The Samaritan was the only one who helped him.

Ah, it was probably only lust.
Then why did you reply?

I merely shared facts from the Bible and I have not judged anyone, and by the way, I wasnt complaining I was making a point.

There is a difference between worldly love and Godly love and the love many claim is worldly.

Good Samaritan = common curtosy
 
Old 01-10-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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This kind of heart isn't

“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds Hebrews 10:16

And you know what the best thing about it is, is that believer is discovering daily all those laws, he has put there, (not laws of sin death and condemnation but the laws of life) , all the principles of living out the abundant life he has given us are contained right in our heart. How wonderful is that.
Your post reminded me of a Martin Zender show I listened to last night. It was about people who fall for the Moses machine (law) instead of Christ's machine (grace). They want the ten commandments to come clunking down instead of pure grace.

His radio show got canceled because the (Christian) radio station figured out what it was he was preaching, I guess, but before he lost the show he got some pretty good messages out. Though they were only about 13 mintues each, they packed a pretty good punch.

God's Vending Machines:
Show 83 - The Martin Zender Dan Sheridan Show
 
Old 01-10-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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Never said that but the Bible is quite clear on the subject and she claims to be an athiest.
The only thing really clear is that you are not spiritual in your thinking, you are religious.
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