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Old 01-09-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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Mike, are you to believe that Christ died only for your sins?
Are you saved because you believe that Christ died only for your own sins?
Jesus died for the sins of the entire world. He died for everyones sins. Sin is not the issue in salvation. The only issue is faith in Christ. You are saved because you trust in Jesus to save you. You are saved because you want to have a personal relationship with Christ.

A person is saved when they make a personal decision to believe in Christ who died for the sins of the entire world. In paying the penalty for the sins of the entire world, He removed sin as an issue in salvation. And therefore, the issue is simply will you believe in Christ or will you not? If you place your faith in Christ then you are eternally saved. If you reject Christ as Savior then you remain under the condemnation with which you came into the world (John 3:36).

Eusebius, I've gone over this enough. If you still don't understand the issue, it is because you don't want to. Refer back to my prior posts. Better yet, avail yourself of the doctrinal resources that I provided on the following thread. Perhaps the Best thing I can do on this forum.

 
Old 01-09-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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so in that case it would be better if everyone was just born handicaped,or died as children,i suppose it would only be fair of Him to do the same to those who never hear of Jesus or the gospil aswell.

what the world shoud do is kill every child right now as to save them from an almost definite eternity in hell,with this logic that should be the right thing to do,i should just kill my children my 3 boys right now and garauntee them a place in heaven,who cares if i go to hell for it,oh yeah i forgot it dosent matter what i do as long as i beleive, if what your post says is true then the world shouldnt think twice about it and kill all children,,,its kinda like a loophole in the contract isnt it,you can either save yourself bye beleiving in Jesus or die young,or mentally ill.

what about a person who was once sane then after whatever reason becomes insane,i mean he could have saved himself in the last few years/months/days/hours/minutes/seconds of his life if he hadnt of became mentally ill,,,,,,,you know what with these beleifs it really makes me understand how off the wall they are and gives me strenght in beleiving what my heart tells me???

Your conclusions are faulty. I won't even dignify the first two paragraphs with an answer. As for the person who once was sane and became insane. If he once had the ability to conceive of the existence of a supreme being, then he reached the point of accountability and is held responsible by God to believe in Christ for salvation. The sooner a person makes that most important decision, the better off he is. There comes a time when it will be to late to decide.

Your heart can lead you straight to hell. 'These beliefs' are the clear revelation of scripture.

John 3:16; John 3:36; Acts 16:31 and many other passages all declare that personal faith in Christ is required for eternal salvation.

Believe the word of God or don't. It's your choice.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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Just wandering if you all don't believe in Eternal Hell then why get saved? I mean from my understanding of your beliefs your going to be saved anyway right? So why not go about drinking, getting drunk, cursing, stealing, cheating, taking the Lord's name in vain, sleeping with everyone that comes and goes and not marry them; since your covered by Gods gracious love. Then my last question is can you find one scripture in the Bible that clearly states God loves everyone? Not talking about God loves the world but that says God loves everyone.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 01:09 PM
 
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Just wandering if you all don't believe in Eternal Hell then why get saved? I mean from my understanding of your beliefs your going to be saved anyway right? So why not go about drinking, getting drunk, cursing, stealing, cheating, taking the Lord's name in vain, sleeping with everyone that comes and goes and not marry them; since your covered by Gods gracious love. Then my last question is can you find one scripture in the Bible that clearly states God loves everyone? Not talking about God loves the world but that says God loves everyone.
what so when jesus said God loves the world,He wasnt talkin about those who are in it,just the mountains,rocks,volcanos,rivers,clouds etc.things that dont love back.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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Just wandering if you all don't believe in Eternal Hell then why get saved? I mean from my understanding of your beliefs your going to be saved anyway right? So why not go about drinking, getting drunk, cursing, stealing, cheating, taking the Lord's name in vain, sleeping with everyone that comes and goes and not marry them; since your covered by Gods gracious love. Then my last question is can you find one scripture in the Bible that clearly states God loves everyone? Not talking about God loves the world but that says God loves everyone.
Why not ?, because like it or not we all reap what we sow. there is no escape from it. You also need to see that the question you are asking, is coming from the treasures of your own heart.In otherwords it's something you would consider doing yourself if you thought you could get away with it.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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what so when jesus said God loves the world,He wasnt talkin about those who are in it,just the mountains,rocks,volcanos,rivers,clouds etc.things that dont love back.
I take it you can't find one?
 
Old 01-09-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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Your conclusions are faulty. I won't even dignify the first two paragraphs with an answer. As for the person who once was sane and became insane. If he once had the ability to conceive of the existence of a supreme being, then he reached the point of accountability and is held responsible by God to believe in Christ for salvation. The sooner a person makes that most important decision, the better off he is. There comes a time when it will be to late to decide.

Your heart can lead you straight to hell. 'These beliefs' are the clear revelation of scripture.

John 3:16; John 3:36; Acts 16:31 and many other passages all declare that personal faith in Christ is required for eternal salvation.

Believe the word of God or don't. It's your choice.
of course you wont answer it,because you know it dosent make sense,but hey im only putting to reason exactly what you were sayin.



the heart is where the soul lies,its where god exists also,you know that little verse''the kingdom of god is inside you''???
 
Old 01-09-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Why not ?, because like it or not we all reap what we sow. there is no escape from it. You also need to see that the question you are asking, is coming from the treasures of your own heart.In otherwords it's something you would consider doing yourself if you thought you could get away with it.
Not at all what I am getting at is if there is not an Eternal Hell then why worry about being a good person and getting saved when your going to get saved anyway no matter what you do.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 01:16 PM
 
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Not at all what I am getting at is if there is not an Eternal Hell then why worry about being a good person and getting saved when your going to get saved anyway no matter what you do.
So the fear of eternal hell is why you try(and as much as you try you never will be)to be a good person ?. And your answer confirms to me you would do all those things if you could get away from escaping eternal hell.
 
Old 01-09-2011, 01:18 PM
 
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So the fear of eternal hell is why you try(and as much as you try you never will be)to be a good person ?.
Your still avoiding the question or is it that it can't be answered?
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