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Old 01-11-2011, 11:38 AM
 
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One needs to turn to the Lord.

2 Corinthians 3:15 But until this very day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their minds; but whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.

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Old 01-11-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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Only those who place their faith in Christ receive the imputation of God's righteousness by which God declares the one who believes in Christ 'justified.'

Read on.



Did I say anything about works? No I did not.

Eph 2:8 'For by grace yu have been saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9] not as a result of works, that no one should boast.'



Go back and carefully read post #102. No one, absolutely no one is justified until the moment that they believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. There is nothing about this which is difficult to understand.

No one has been justified at physical birth. In opposition to justification, man is born already born under condemnation (John 3:18).

At the cross, Jesus performed the work for our justification. In other words, He made the righteousness of God available to those who believe in Him for salvation (Rom 5:8-9).

It is at the moment of faith in Christ Jesus that God the Father imputes His righteousness to the one who believes and is therefore able to pronounce that person justified.

Romans 4:5 'But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.'


Acts 13:38 ''Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39]and through Him everyone who believes is made righteous (dikaioutai) from all things which you could not be made righteous through the Law of Moses.''

Look at Acts 13:39 in the Greek with the transliteration and translation. Acts 13:39 Biblos Interlinear Bible

It is by the work of Jesus Christ on the cross that justifcation comes to those who believe in Him.

Now again, refer also back to post #102.
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To the contrary. Just as condemnation for all men came through Adam, so justification and Life came to all men through Jesus Christ. Read Romans 5 again.

Blessings!
Brian
BY ignoring all of the other scripture passages which speak to the matter of justification, and isolating one particuar passage you have come to a false understanding of the matter of justification. The Bible states repeatedly that only those who believe in Christ are justified.

If you will not study the doctrine of justification, you will not understand it.

But that's your choice. I have given scripture that flat out states that it is those who believe in Christ who are justified. Do with them as you will.

For anyone who may be interested, here is an overview on the doctrine of justification.

Justification
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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THOSE are works and THOSE are what he was asked to choose . . . belief was not mentioned and was not an issue.
Read the scripture again..... MysticPhD !!

Did he really believe..... he came face to face with Christ, he asked how he could inherit eternal life, yet, it seems his riches was blinding him from truly believing, so, Christ knowing his heart gave him the choice.... to believe that through Christ one would inherit eternal life......How....by what?

hmmm

And it is obvious that the young man riches and loving what he had rather then believing that eternal life is found in loving Christ above all!

He followed all the commandments (works) already, yet, Christ told him he lack one thing ??? And what was that ??? Believing who Jesus was, so, Jesus tested his heart to show him what he really lack and what was there !!

Christ already knew what was in his heart..... for heaven sakes ! And that is what Christ was trying to get across to him, he believed in his riches, rather then Christ...

The question was who did Christ face to face give the choose to believe in Him, in the scripture !!!

And we see that it is obvious in this scripture Christ was giving him the choice to believe in Him not his riches.

It has nothing to do with works...... !!

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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When Jesus was asked "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved", Jesus did not reply. Yes, don't worry about, I will make sure everyone is saved. No, He said Make every effort to enter through the narrow door

Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?”


He said to them, 24 “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Your conclusions are faulty. I won't even dignify the first two paragraphs with an answer. As for the person who once was sane and became insane. If he once had the ability to conceive of the existence of a supreme being, then he reached the point of accountability and is held responsible by God to believe in Christ for salvation. The sooner a person makes that most important decision, the better off he is. There comes a time when it will be to late to decide.

Your heart can lead you straight to hell. 'These beliefs' are the clear revelation of scripture.

John 3:16; John 3:36; Acts 16:31 and many other passages all declare that personal faith in Christ is required for eternal salvation.

Believe the word of God or don't. It's your choice.
Here is your post 102. You err Mike, because you do not understand what God has done through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Second Adam. All who were condemned in Adam 1 have been justified in Adam 2. HOWEVER, not everyone has been saved, as salvation leads to righteousness.


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BY ignoring all of the other scripture passages which speak to the matter of justification, and isolating one particuar passage you have come to a false understanding of the matter of justification. The Bible states repeatedly that only those who believe in Christ are justified.

If you will not study the doctrine of justification, you will not understand it.

But that's your choice. I have given scripture that flat out states that it is those who believe in Christ who are justified. Do with them as you will.

For anyone who may be interested, here is an overview on the doctrine of justification.

Justification
Here's the rub, Mike: according to ET doctrine, man is lost unless he saves himself.

But the Bible (see Romans ch. 4-5) tells us plainly that man has been justified through Christ Jesus. THIS is called g-r-a-c-e. So man is no longer lost, he only needs salvation, since he has already been justified by Christ. "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." That means that Christ justified us before we even knew who He was.

Blessings,
brian
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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This young man came to Jesus face to face believing who Jesus was and asked Jesus how he could inherit eternal life and Jesus gave him the choice to choose..... Jesus or his riches !!!

Matthew 19:16-22
16. And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?"

17. And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

18.Then he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;

19. HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

20. The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?"

21. Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

22. But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.

There is your scripture that shows one who believed in Jesus.....and Christ giving one the choice to choose
No Jesus revealed to him , where is treasure was, and his treasure was the very thing blinding him from seeing God.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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Good post twin. It's amazing that anyone can deny what is so plainly stated in the Scriptures.
It's also amazing that you cannot find one single scripture where Jesus said face to face to an individual choose or decide for me .

You believe the dumbest things such as we can choose to be born again, that Judas knew God and chose him, when in thank Jesus explicitly said he chose the disciples and call Jesus a devil.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 01:07 PM
 
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Read the scripture again..... MysticPhD !!

Did he really believe..... he came face to face with Christ, he asked how he could inherit eternal life, yet, it seems his riches was blinding him from truly believing, so, Christ knowing his heart gave him the choice.... to believe that through Christ one would inherit eternal life......How....by what?

hmmm

And it is obvious that the young man riches and loving what he had rather then believing that eternal life is found in loving Christ above all!

He followed all the commandments (works) already, yet, Christ told him he lack one thing ??? And what was that ??? Believing who Jesus was, so, Jesus tested his heart to show him what he really lack and what was there !!

Christ already knew what was in his heart..... for heaven sakes ! And that is what Christ was trying to get across to him, he believed in his riches, rather then Christ...

The question was who did Christ face to face give the choose to believe in Him, in the scripture !!!

And we see that it is obvious in this scripture Christ was giving him the choice to believe in Him not his riches.

It has nothing to do with works...... !!
This is entirely your interpretation adding the "believe in" component to it. He was asked to do the "works" related to the poor and he refused. The price was too high for him, period. He as everyone of that era entirely believed in the "work" of following the law to "earn" eternal life. Jesus added too much to the price. There was not even a concept of "believe in" anything during that time . . . and there shouldn't be today . . . it is all "believe on/into."
 
Old 01-11-2011, 01:07 PM
 
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No Jesus revealed to him , where is treasure was, and his treasure was the very thing blinding him from seeing God.
Read the scripture again..... !!

Did he really believe..... he came face to face with Christ, he asked how he could inherit eternal life, yet, it seems his riches was blinding him from truly believing, so, Christ knowing his heart gave him the choice.... to believe that through Christ one would inherit eternal life......How....by what?

hmmm

And it is obvious that the young man riches and loving what he had rather then believing that eternal life is found in loving Christ above all!

He followed all the commandments (works) already, yet, Christ told him he lack one thing ??? And what was that ??? Believing who Jesus was, so, Jesus tested his heart to show him what he really lack and what was there !!

Christ already knew what was in his heart..... for heaven sakes ! And that is what Christ was trying to get across to him, he believed in his riches, rather then Christ...

The question was who did Christ face to face give the choose to believe in Him, in the scripture !!!

And we see that it is obvious in this scripture Christ was giving him the choice to believe in Him not his riches.

The truth stares you in the face, do you believe ??? Or will you continue to deny Christ also ? Is the Ur teaching blinding one from truth, like the young man's riches !! They are both fleshly desires !!!
You wanted scripture and it has been given and will one still deny it......
 
Old 01-11-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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You've been proven wrong in posts #163, 167, 171. As I told you in Post #174, any further pursuit of this matter by you would be answered (if I bother to answer) with a referral back to my previous posts.
How hard is it for you to quote just one scripture ??????????.

Tell me how you chose to be born again, its just as impossible as someone claiming they chose natural birth . So the scripture from John 3 is not a scripture that tells us that Jesus told an individual face to face that he must make a choose or decision.
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