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Old 01-13-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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Matt 18
34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. 35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

What are these verses actually saying?

This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.

It is not saying you will be tortured forever. It is saying you will go through a torture of your own making unless you forgive. The jailer tortures until all is paid - until you forgive your brother.

Reading eternal torture into these 2 verses is only showing your personal bias.

So wrt the OP, we see that what happens to those who don't forgive is that they will go through their own tortuous prison until they do forgive. Since God is reconciling all things, bringing all together in harmony under Christ, so that God will be all in all, we can know that all will eventually be forgiven.
I thought you wouldn't be to far behind with the paper bag UR.

Since the servant "was not able to pay" before going to jailer.... the paper bag of UR wants to accuse God that the servant will have the ability to pay afterwards?........

Your attempting to justify the accusation of God has gotten to the ridiculous. Your opposition to any scriptures that has Jesus revealing that God's wrath remains is because you're deliberately not wanting to see\hear it.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Matthew 18:23-34
In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. "

..... This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.” Matthew 18:35
Right! Until he should pay back all he owed, not being tortured endlessly in some imagined fiery hell that you speak of. Why can't you see the simplicity of this scripture and what it means? UR does not deny that there will be consequences, we just don't think it's for all of eternity.
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Old 01-13-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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The point of a parable is not who is specifically is whom, but the object lesson. Jesus' point: God will take back his mercy from the wicked and will be shown no mercy.
So much for psalms 136.....and especially vs 23
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Old 01-13-2011, 01:18 PM
 
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In anger his master turned him over to be tortured , until he should pay back all he owed.

The way you believe Twin is exactly the same way the wicked servant believed, he though he could be shown great mercy without showing it himself, you have a mentality that favors mercy not being shown to the undeserving,excuses itself and condemns others . Due to this you have been given over to your desires to be tortured.

If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent Matthew 12:7

How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Matt 12:12

By your own words i can confidently say you do not know what "I desire mercy, not sacrifice" means.

By your own words i can confidently say you do understand the value of a man to God.


Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?.

I know this is going to be a hard one for you to swallow and will cause you to gnash your teeth, and probably many others too, but God see's the world as innocent,"God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not counting man's sin against them, their sin's and iniquities i will remember no more, and it's the likes of yourself that is condemning the innocent, and calling that which God calls clean, unclean.
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Old 01-13-2011, 02:51 PM
 
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Right! Until he should pay back all he owed, not being tortured endlessly in some imagined fiery hell that you speak of. Why can't you see the simplicity of this scripture and what it means? UR does not deny that there will be consequences, we just don't think it's for all of eternity.
What is this...more talking points of the paper bag UR?

Since the servant "was not able to pay" before going to jailer.... the paper bag of UR wants to accuse God that the servant will have the ability to pay afterwards?........

Your attempting to justify the accusation of God has gotten to the ridiculous. Your opposition to any scriptures that has Jesus revealing that God's wrath remains is because you're deliberately not wanting to see\hear it.
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Old 01-13-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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So much for psalms 136.....and especially vs 23

Here's a new concept to ponder..............

A psalm was an OT hymn..not a NT parable
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Old 01-13-2011, 03:28 PM
 
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What is this...more talking points of the paper bag UR?

Since the servant "was not able to pay" before going to jailer.... the paper bag of UR wants to accuse God that the servant will have the ability to pay afterwards?........

Your attempting to justify the accusation of God has gotten to the ridiculous. Your opposition to any scriptures that has Jesus revealing that God's wrath remains is because you're deliberately not wanting to see\hear it.
It's quite obvious there was a way to pay it back if Jesus said so, and according to Jesus himself the way to pay it off the debt was this.

Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold TO REPAY THE DEBT.

How do you think the guy thrown into prison by the wicked servant got out ?

But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

Those who do not believe God can take pity and cancel out all our debt (our sin)are choking the debtors, and in doing so are being choked with torture themselves(reaping what they are sowing).

Your mindset twin is no different to those in the medieval dark ages, who thought torturing folk was doing God a service.
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Old 01-13-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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In Matthew 19:29..... Jesus said You can get a pass of unforgiveness if you hand it over to me and forget about them people forever......``And everyone that hath forsaken houses, or brethern, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name`s , shall recieve an hundrendfold and shall inherit everlasting life``...this way you can forget these people and never have to confront them in any oughts............ For those who don`t forgive , can be a dangerous for both lost people and believers of Jesus, because people run the risk of becoming sick or even develop cancer, or some may just have a poor demeaner with only few or no friends ....... all people who develop cancer or other sickness should question themselves for unforgiveness....... there is great carnel power in unforgiveness, for example the courts of the country are full of unforgiveness, which is power for these people ................
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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Here's a new concept to ponder..............

A psalm was an OT hymn..not a NT parable
So it was just for entertainment purposes with no real message........
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Old 01-13-2011, 06:31 PM
 
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So it was just for entertainment purposes with no real message........
I didn't say that....verse 10
"to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt
His love endures forever."

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