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Old 01-14-2011, 07:08 AM
 
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Interesting points.
Other verses which, taken from a literal POV, are quite impossible:

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16.15

"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed." Luke 2.1

"And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar." Acts 11.28

"For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" Acts 24.5

"First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world." Rom. 1.8

"But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world." Rom. 10.18

etc...

Literalism is, imo, quite a dangerous approach to reading scripture.. (and probably the cause of most wars, crusades, etc.)

Blessings,
brian
cheers brian,that says it ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,but this time meaning ALL.

blessings back to ya brother
Lee!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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And the writer pre-warned the reader that it was just a VISION of things which stood for other literal things.
Eusebius,i dont want to fall out with ya over this,i think youra nice bloke/woman,,but if it means that much to ya then fair enough,but you cant ignore facts,there is no way that Noahs kids kick started every culture in the world,from all the african's,native american's,indians etc,,and i dont think that evolution would have had the time to change all these skin colours after all,every isrealite from then to now,still have basicaly the same skin colours.and if you dont beleive i evolution then it threatens your theory even more,because of the diffence in skin colour.

then you said that Noahs kids could have went bad to start other religious cultures,but thats just saying that every other religion apart from christianity(which Noah himself wasnt anyway)is bad or evil,this thinking can limit ones learning,bthats a choice,not saying you have to learn from other cultures or anything but branding them bad/evil is ignorant.and you said that they would have known these cultures,their is no way,bye living in a small part of isreal,that they could have known all the native americsan's,indian's and african cultures that still exist today,especially in india and africa.

im just ryin to make you see the flaws in this flood thing,well not the flood im not saying there want a flood and im not saying that it wasnt a big one,but to think that it enguilfed the whole world,,well thats up to you,but the facts might say something else.

as insaneindemembrane brought up in another thread,the bible only deals with isreal,there was alot more going on in the world around those times and the bible just dosent reflect on that.however their are alot of christians that dont take parts of the bible literally,but do take from it what is good for their spiritual growth,,peresonaly i love jesus' teachings,,,

have a peacfull one!!!!!!
Lee!!!!!!
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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LOL!! Family has lived in US for over 100 years!! I am the last 100% irish person in our family!! Never even been to the "other side". What a poor excuse of an Irishman (woman) am I???
ah you have to get yourself over,but make sure its summer time,its startin to get pretty cold in the winter,does be miserable for months,rain,snow,rain,rain,wind.rain,you get me drift.

im from wicklow meself,the garden of ireland,pitty the town i live in dosent reflect that but you should get yourself here at least once before you leave the planet,which i hope is no time soon.
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:50 AM
 
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Eusebius,i dont want to fall out with ya over this,i think youra nice bloke/woman,,but if it means that much to ya then fair enough,but you cant ignore facts,there is no way that Noahs kids kick started every culture in the world,from all the african's,native american's,indians etc,,and i dont think that evolution would have had the time to change all these skin colours after all,every isrealite from then to now,still have basicaly the same skin colours.and if you dont beleive i evolution then it threatens your theory even more,because of the diffence in skin colour.
And your scientific proof is? . .......


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then you said that Noahs kids could have went bad to start other religious cultures,but thats just saying that every other religion apart from christianity(which Noah himself wasnt anyway)is bad or evil,this thinking can limit ones learning,bthats a choice,not saying you have to learn from other cultures or anything but branding them bad/evil is ignorant.and you said that they would have known these cultures,their is no way,bye living in a small part of isreal,that they could have known all the native americsan's,indian's and african cultures that still exist today,especially in india and africa.

Why couldn't they have gone bad? The first parent's kid (Cain) went bad.

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im just ryin to make you see the flaws in this flood thing,well not the flood im not saying there want a flood and im not saying that it wasnt a big one,but to think that it enguilfed the whole world,,well thats up to you,but the facts might say something else.
I'm not convinced of any flaws without any verifiable "proof".


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as insaneindemembrane brought up in another thread,the bible only deals with isreal,there was alot more going on in the world around those times and the bible just dosent reflect on that.however their are alot of christians that dont take parts of the bible literally,but do take from it what is good for their spiritual growth,,peresonaly i love jesus' teachings,,,
insane is wrong. The Bible doesn't deal with only Israel. Read Daniel. It is about Babylon and the Chaldeans. In Job the Chaldeans raided Job's business. etc. etc.

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You have a peaceful one too friend!
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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And your scientific proof is? . .......
Why do you ask for 'scientieifc proof' on one hand but then reject scientitific proof when it conflicts with the Bible on the other hand?
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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Why do you ask for 'scientieifc proof' on one hand but then reject scientitific proof when it conflicts with the Bible on the other hand?
You've presented scientif proof the Old Testament is just a made-up tale?
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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I thought I wrote a post about how Noah could know all the mountains of the earth were covered with water. But can't find it posted now. Maybe I just previewed it but didn't post it?
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Old 01-14-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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insane is wrong. The Bible doesn't deal with only Israel. Read Daniel. It is about Babylon and the Chaldeans. In Job the Chaldeans raided Job's business. etc. etc.
You know what I mean, Eusebius. The Bible, for the most part, ONLY deals with Israel and only those nations that came into contact with their nation. In fact, it is really only concerned with that immediate region which the writers, no doubt, thought was the ENTIRE world. This is understandable, but it would be highly unlikely that they knew anything about the South Pacific, the northern Atlantic, in areas like Ice and Greenland, or Antartica. I mean, I do realize that the ancients did some amazing things and some civilizations had their risk takers, but I would not put the ancient Israelites in that boat so when I read their literature and they mention "the world" or "the whole earth," I take it to mean they mean their immediate and surrounding area of the earth.

Without looking it up right now, I think Matthew or Luke (or both) talks about a census the Romans called and the writer claimed the Romans were taking a census of the whole world. What does the literalist have to say about that when the Romans only held control over a fraction of the entire earth? Of course, a thinking person would know the author meant the ROMAN world and NOT the ENTIRE world, however, literalists want to sneak out of their narrow views to borrow some flexibility when expedient, but run back into their shallow world whenever a threat comes anywhere close to their cherished superstitions and off the wall beliefs - In other words, have their cake and eat it too.
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:07 PM
 
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You know what I mean, Eusebius. The Bible, for the most part, ONLY deals with Israel and only those nations that came into contact with their nation. In fact, it is really only concerned with that immediate region which the writers, no doubt, thought was the ENTIRE world. This is understandable, but it would be highly unlikely that they knew anything about the South Pacific, the northern Atlantic, in areas like Ice and Greenland, or Antartica. I mean, I do realize that the ancients did some amazing things and some civilizations had their risk takers, but I would not put the ancient Israelites in that boat so when I read their literature and they mention "the world" or "the whole earth," I take it to mean they mean their immediate and surrounding area of the earth.

Without looking it up right now, I think Matthew or Luke (or both) talks about a census the Romans called and the writer claimed the Romans were taking a census of the whole world. What does the literalist have to say about that when the Romans only held control over a fraction of the entire earth? Of course, a thinking person would know the author meant the ROMAN world and NOT the ENTIRE world, however, literalists want to sneak out of their narrow views to borrow some flexibility when expedient, but run back into their shallow world whenever a threat comes anywhere close to their cherished superstitions and off the wall beliefs - In other words, have their cake and eat it too.
The word for "world" back then was "kosmos" and meant "system." So they were taking a census of their entire system.
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Old 01-14-2011, 04:23 PM
 
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The word for "world" back then was "kosmos" and meant "system." So they were taking a census of their entire system.
so God was also just flooding the system so!!!!flooding out those who were meant to Go.

right if you can answer this question honestly and not just,''well if it happened then why couldnt it of happened'',then ill beleive ya.

how did the skin colour change from tanned to dark black ,in those few years?????
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