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Old 01-14-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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In Romans 10:8-9.... But what saith it?.. The word is nigh even in your mouth and your heart, that in the word of faith whch we preach; ....`` That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus , and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead you shall be saved``.............. See Jesus Christ raised from the dead is the key and the only thing that if you believe Christianity is true....... another key is to go to another Christian and ask for prayer for support and a witness for salvation of Jesus , and being water baptised by believers of Christ seals heavens interest .....
Yes, I agree with Romans here. In fact, it tells us that salvation is planted within our hearts already by God. We need "only" confess it; but faith must be given by God first. Until then, man is justified, but not saved, imo.

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brian
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Old 01-14-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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I have never understood this one.
i was only talkin about this today with me gran,,,,if the spiritual realm(kingdom of God)is the greatest goal of life then just sayin a few words makes it too easy IMO.
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Old 01-14-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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Earth being you and i ?

But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Thy will be done in me, as it is in heaven
Amen!! Thy will be done IN earth (in our hearts, just as you say) as it is in heaven. In earthen vessels. Very nice!

Why, oh why are so many of us looking for Christ outside of us, and not hearing His voice within us?? Is not the true Power of Christ to be seen in our hearts, setting us free from the bondage of our flesh??


Blessings,
brian
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Old 01-14-2011, 05:24 PM
 
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i was only talkin about this today with me gran,,,,if the spiritual realm(kingdom of God)is the greatest goal of life then just sayin a few words makes it too easy IMO.
Doeable i love where you are coming from.

A few words from us is never enough, not even "Jesus come into my heart".


But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. Matt 8:8

Jesus said the word "If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me"John 12:32
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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People the op asked a simple question. Can we please answer without the insults, sarcasm and sidebars. I would like to see this thread stay open.
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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I have never understood this one.

Here's are a couple of interesting links on the history of the "sinners prayer." It's obviously nowhere in the Bible, and it doesn't do anything for anybody.


The Sinner's Prayer: Modern apostasy and false teaching that prevents men from being saved.

Sinner's Prayer


Below is little something on the "sinner's prayer" from L. Smith. He always writes very long papers, and the way he writes looks like he's shouting, but I just think he's very passionate about this stuff (he's actually very calm in his videos on YouTube).

Do 20-second prayers really save people? Or is the "sinner’s prayer" just one more giant deception of the Church? Is there Scriptural backing for such utter nonsense? Is there really a Scripture somewhere that suggests the repeating of a short prayer of confession or acceptance of Jesus will instantly save him? (That a short prayer could well be the beginning of "being saved" [future], I have no doubt). ~~~ L. Ray Smith - You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!
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Old 01-14-2011, 06:47 PM
 
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Here's are a couple of interesting links on the history of the "sinners prayer." It's obviously nowhere in the Bible, and it doesn't do anything for anybody.


The Sinner's Prayer: Modern apostasy and false teaching that prevents men from being saved.

Sinner's Prayer


Below is little something on the "sinner's prayer" from L. Smith. He always writes very long papers, and the way he writes looks like he's shouting, but I just think he's very passionate about this stuff (he's actually very calm in his videos on YouTube).

Do 20-second prayers really save people? Or is the "sinnerís prayer" just one more giant deception of the Church? Is there Scriptural backing for such utter nonsense? Is there really a Scripture somewhere that suggests the repeating of a short prayer of confession or acceptance of Jesus will instantly save him? (That a short prayer could well be the beginning of "being saved" [future], I have no doubt). ~~~ L. Ray Smith - You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!
Thanks for the links herefornow. I will have a butchers at them

I know Smithy seems a bit blunt, but i agree with most of what i have read by him, his ministry along with the ministry of Gary Sigler's were very instrumental in me being set free from the bondage of fundamental christianity
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Old 01-14-2011, 07:45 PM
 
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Yes, I agree with Romans here. In fact, it tells us that salvation is planted within our hearts already by God. We need "only" confess it; but faith must be given by God first. Until then, man is justified, but not saved, imo.

Blessings,
brian
I must nit pick with you Brian, You have the order reversed in bold. ALL humankind are saved by Jesus . . . but they have to build their justification (sanctification) on the Foundation Jesus laid . . . and it will be tested and "refined"(anything not repented for in this life).
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Old 01-14-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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I have never understood this one.
It is called being born again, in Scripture, when the Spirit of Christ, which is the Spirit of adoption, comes into one who calls on His name for salvation.


You ask for Jesus to come in as Savior, and LORD, into your inner being, by His Living Spirit, which Spirit is Christ.

That coming into your inner being of the Holy Spirit, Christ, is made possible by you calling on His name for Salvation, and He cleanses your soul, by His Atonement, finished once, for all -for whosoever will -and that makes one adopted sons of God, by that Spirit of the Son of God coming into your heart.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christin you. from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth
"Christ in you" is in your "New Man heart", which is made new by His coming in, which is called the regeneration, and adoption into His Living Spirit, which is the second birth, or being born again, in the New Man Living Spirit.

Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit ofadoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode/monē with him.

monē 1) a staying, abiding, dwelling, abode

Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].Jhn 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Jhn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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It is called being born again, in Scripture, when the Spirit of Christ, which is the Spirit of adoption, comes into one who calls on His name for salvation.


You ask for Jesus to come in as Savior, and LORD, into your inner being, by His Living Spirit, which Spirit is Christ.

That coming into your inner being of the Holy Spirit, Christ, is made possible by you calling on His name for Salvation, and He cleanses your soul, by His Atonement, finished once, for all -for whosoever will -and that makes one adopted sons of God, by that Spirit of the Son of God coming into your heart.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christin you. from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth
"Christ in you" is in your "New Man heart", which is made new by His coming in, which is called the regeneration, and adoption into His Living Spirit, which is the second birth, or being born again, in the New Man Living Spirit.

Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit ofadoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode/monē with him.

monē 1) a staying, abiding, dwelling, abode

Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].Jhn 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Jhn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
All those scriptures are wonderful, it's just a great shame none of them scriptures come anywhere near suggesting we ask Jesus into our hearts to be our Savior.
I know it touches a sore point with many of you, because this is how you believed you became christians, and the most curious thing about it is, you so called bible believing christians who reject anything you think you can't find in the bible,willing accept this i accepted jesus into me heart , which is no where to be seen in the scriptures as being the truth
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