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Old 01-15-2011, 05:53 PM
 
Location: New York City
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As you guys know, I bum around this forum quite often and I have to admit, I am surprised a great deal by the wide ranging and sometimes contradictory positions amongst Christians. I say surprising not because of the usual Catholics Vs Protestants differences, but rather, about god, Jesus and the bible.

I guess a lot of my surprise comes from the fact that when I was a Christian, I was part of the fundamentalist crowd, one of those who often took the bible at face value. I now realize that not all Christians do that; some even outrightly rejecting an entire canon as nothing to take too serious or others who force back NT concepts/modern concepts into the OT to make it more palatable.

When I hear scholars say that early Christianity was one of many "Christianities" (with all the different opinions at the time), I see what they meant because nothing has changed after 2,000 years and with the flood of UR at ETers threads, folks are super passionate about their positions.
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Old 01-15-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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As you guys know, I bum around this forum quite often and I have to admit, I am surprised a great deal by the wide ranging and sometimes contradictory positions amongst Christians. I say surprising not because of the usual Catholics Vs Protestants differences, but rather, about god, Jesus and the bible.

I guess a lot of my surprise comes from the fact that when I was a Christian, I was part of the fundamentalist crowd, one of those who often took the bible at face value. I now realize that not all Christians do that; some even outrightly rejecting an entire canon as nothing to take too serious or others who force back NT concepts/modern concepts into the OT to make it more palatable.

When I hear scholars say that early Christianity was one of many "Christianities" (with all the different opinions at the time), I see what they meant because nothing has changed after 2,000 years and with the flood of UR at ETers threads, folks are super passionate about their positions.
Insane man has progressed in the natural world immensely in the last century through knowledge, the same thing has happened in the spiritual world too.The difference with the spiritual world is, what's being discovered there as always been there, we just lost sight of it.This why there is such a huge conflict going on between those who are open to the discovery of light lost and those who believe they have it all, already,in their bible.
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Old 01-15-2011, 06:29 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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Well I'm hurt because one of my new found friends dumped me as soon as he found out I was Universalist. It's very hurtful to be a Universalist, what with the severe backlash from the other camp and the fact that we have now been restricted. I don't understand the hatred, especially since I used to be a fundamentalist ETer, but I NEVER exhibited the kind of pure hatred that I've felt since being a Universalist. I sincerely believe now that ET IS indeed the "great delusion" and it's been prevalent for centuries now and the only glimmer of hope that I've seen here on this forum is from SC122 and Thrillobyte....thank you guys for having the courage to speak up and out against what has been so ingrained in all of us. I don't know what else to say, I'm very sad.
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Old 01-15-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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Many of my friends from the church I used to attend shun me by pretending not to know me since I left. My h still attends there so it has created a very difficult situation both here and on his side of the family. Each day,week, month and year that pass by have been a blessing in spiritual growth for me though since I am not within the restraints of doctrines, literalism, and rules. I am feeling more and more assured that I finally did exactly what He was telling me to do for many, many years.

I have many friends here who have helped me on this journey, difficult at times, but the lessons learned from them are priceless
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Old 01-15-2011, 07:54 PM
 
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I think one of my favorite songs speaks to this topic....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3Ab...eature=related
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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I look at people that are so superficial as to judge me on what I believe, or even what flavor of a belief system one follows unworthy of being my friend. And yes, as an Atheist this has occurred, and I feel blessed for their absence.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:11 PM
 
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Well I'm hurt because one of my new found friends dumped me as soon as he found out I was Universalist. It's very hurtful to be a Universalist, what with the severe backlash from the other camp and the fact that we have now been restricted. I don't understand the hatred, especially since I used to be a fundamentalist ETer, but I NEVER exhibited the kind of pure hatred that I've felt since being a Universalist. I sincerely believe now that ET IS indeed the "great delusion" and it's been prevalent for centuries now and the only glimmer of hope that I've seen here on this forum is from SC122 and Thrillobyte....thank you guys for having the courage to speak up and out against what has been so ingrained in all of us. I don't know what else to say, I'm very sad.
I feel your pain. It's a big step to step outside the norm. Ask Carlton Pearson (or me).

I will say though - MOST of my fundy friends still like me, but I cannot "minister" in any official capacity and my company has lost some business over it (UR belief).

The good news is: the times they are a changin' and the age of reason is helping many to jump off the fundy bus. Maybe one day the landing won't be so hard...
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:23 PM
 
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Well I'm hurt because one of my new found friends dumped me as soon as he found out I was Universalist. It's very hurtful to be a Universalist, what with the severe backlash from the other camp and the fact that we have now been restricted. I don't understand the hatred, especially since I used to be a fundamentalist ETer, but I NEVER exhibited the kind of pure hatred that I've felt since being a Universalist. I sincerely believe now that ET IS indeed the "great delusion" and it's been prevalent for centuries now and the only glimmer of hope that I've seen here on this forum is from SC122 and Thrillobyte....thank you guys for having the courage to speak up and out against what has been so ingrained in all of us. I don't know what else to say, I'm very sad.
thank you Ilene! ..and for thinking enough of me to mention me by name that means a lot to me.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:23 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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As you guys know, I bum around this forum quite often and I have to admit, I am surprised a great deal by the wide ranging and sometimes contradictory positions amongst Christians. I say surprising not because of the usual Catholics Vs Protestants differences, but rather, about god, Jesus and the bible.

I guess a lot of my surprise comes from the fact that when I was a Christian, I was part of the fundamentalist crowd, one of those who often took the bible at face value. I now realize that not all Christians do that; some even outrightly rejecting an entire canon as nothing to take too serious or others who force back NT concepts/modern concepts into the OT to make it more palatable.

When I hear scholars say that early Christianity was one of many "Christianities" (with all the different opinions at the time), I see what they meant because nothing has changed after 2,000 years and with the flood of UR at ETers threads, folks are super passionate about their positions.
This does not surprise me at all, makes me sad, but does not surprise me.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:32 PM
 
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I feel your pain. It's a big step to step outside the norm. Ask Carlton Pearson (or me).

I will say though - MOST of my fundy friends still like me, but I cannot "minister" in any official capacity and my company has lost some business over it (UR belief).

The good news is: the times they are a changin' and the age of reason is helping many to jump off the fundy bus. Maybe one day the landing won't be so hard...
I know FB, you've been dealing with this way longer than I have. Thank you for all your support and I hope you're right about the times changing and the age of reason....I would like to make the landing softer for those who have the guts to speak up and admit they are having doubts. Doubts lead to the truth.

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thank you Ilene! ..and for thinking enough of me to mention me by name that menas a lot to me.
Your welcome SC, we have to stick together through all of this doubt and confusion and help each other, not bicker and fight about the minuscule stuff that really has no bearing on anything, especially salvation.
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