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Old 01-18-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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Thank you for confirming my message about many ingredients.
Yea faith and hope in the greatest of all that remains, it's not rocket science.

 
Old 01-18-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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I will repeate it for the third and last time, that the foundation of Christ is made up of all Jesus' teachings.
 
Old 01-18-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 1 Cor 8:1. Love is the foundation all the teachings of Christ are built upon.
 
Old 01-18-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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Lego i do believe now we are under grace, we can have the wood and straw burnt up now, through repentance and changing the way we think.
 
Old 01-18-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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Knowledge puffs up,but love builds up. 1 Cor 8:1.
1 Corinthians 8 is interesting reading about idols and food sacrificed to idols. Thanks. I'll try to refrain from eating such foods. You do the same, yes?

If you want my opinon on the foundation of Christ, you can simply read the thread again, I won't repeat it again.
 
Old 01-18-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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1 Corinthians 8 is interesting reading about idols and food sacrificed to idols. Thanks. I'll try to refrain from eating such foods. You do the same, yes?

If you want my opinon on the foundation of Christ, you can simply read the thread again, I won't repeat it again.
If your foundational beliefs were based on scripture, instead of sand i would take you up, but because they are not, no thanks.
 
Old 01-18-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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Faith is a variable that depends entirely on what each individual has faith IN, Finn. My disagreement with the fundies and literalists faith, especially in the OT nature of God . . . is its foundation in ancient (and current) ignorance. Faith in ignorance is never a wonderful thing. Faith, hope and love as I see them involve the following.

Faith: that Jesus lived, revealed the TRUE NATURE of God, suffered and died because of our sinful nature, and was resurrected (Reborn as Spirit) to connect us ALL to our Father (be the Way, Truth, Light and Life of the world);

Hope: That we can all reduce or eliminate our sins by repentance in this life or by "refinement" in the next and achieve enough spiritual maturity to be reborn as Spirit (as Jesus was) and attain our rightful place in the next life;

Love: That we can create a better and more abundant life here through "love of God and each other" . . . thereby fulfilling ALL God's commandments.
 
Old 01-18-2011, 01:25 PM
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Faith is a variable that depends entirely on what each individual has faith IN, Finn. My disagreement with the fundies and literalists faith, especially in the OT nature of God . . . is its foundation in ancient (and current) ignorance. Faith in ignorance is never a wonderful thing. Faith, hope and love as I see them involve the following.

Faith: that Jesus lived, revealed the TRUE NATURE of God, suffered and died because of our sinful nature, and was resurrected (Reborn as Spirit) to connect us ALL to our Father (be the Way, Truth, Light and Life of the world);

Hope: That we can all reduce or eliminate our sins by repentance in this life or by "refinement" in the next and achieve enough spiritual maturity to be reborn as Spirit (as Jesus was) and attain our rightful place in the next life;

Love: That we can create a better and more abundant life here through "love of God and each other" . . . thereby fulfilling ALL God's commandments.
Can you expound on the bolded?
 
Old 01-18-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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Interesting question. -- Perhaps, since this scripture addresses the judgement of believers (for rewards only!), that it will occur at that particular time. However, Since the discussion is more metaphorical in nature and we do not really carry around 'empty works', like so much 'wood, hay and straw' -- it is unclear 'when' that actually occurs. Perhaps, they are already revealed and destroyed by the Word of God on an ongoing basis (Heb 4:12).

An interesting aspect of the 'when' discussion is the fact that God created 'earth time' in Genesis; suggesting that 'time', as we understand it, probably does not otherwise exist in eternity. Therefore, all earthbound discussions of 'when' and 'where' will become somewhat moot after we leave this sphere.
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This is to test believers works, and does not apply to unbelieveres. I think the results of the test are revealed to us right after physical death, meaning the test is already complete when we arrive in heaven.
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This does not apply to unbelievers!

Not only to test the works, but to test what a person faith was placed on.

gold, silver, costly stones, resemble the faiths that held Jesus as precious

wood, hay or straw, resemble the faiths that held Jesus not as precious

There are several important things to keep in mind:
  • Faith is what saves .... from the most precious to the least precious.
  • God looks for any hint of true faith "to save those who believes" before a person can not escape the flames of hell
    • "a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,"Matthew 12:20
    • If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
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There is no basis whatsoever for the distinction you make between believers and unbelievers. It is elitist, exclusivist, self-serving nonsense revealing an un-Christ-like attitude and mind set. How anyone could believe Jesus would find that acceptable is beyond belief. It is a fruit that cannot be of the Holy Spirit . . . though I'm certain some spirit is involved.

Paul does in no way limit the context of "every man" to "believers" by the words he used to communicate this teaching. That is the interpretation of the fundamentalist orthodox community at large, that much is granted, but it is not definitely the meaning of the scripture by any means.

As a matter of fact the judgment of works is also mentioned in revelations. The language Paul uses in Corinthians is the same used in revelations concerning the judgment of works.

When Paul says "the day shall declare it", what day is he speaking of? The day of the judgment of works.

The fire of judgment in Corinthians is the same fire of judgment which John the baptists speak of when he talks about the baptism of fire, and is the same fire written about in revelations that shall judge the works of men.

When theologians try to separate these references to the fiery judgments of God as being for the purpose of purification only for Christian but not in reference to unbelievers, it is a tradition invented by men that in truth contradicts the true teachings of the gospel.
 
Old 01-18-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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Paul does in no way limit the context of "every man" to "believers" by the words he used to communicate this teaching. That is the interpretation of the fundamentalist orthodox community at large, that much is granted, but it is not definitely the meaning of the scripture by any means.
His audience is believers and he is talking about rewards for people who people who build on the foundation of Christ. Only believers build on the foundation of Christ.
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