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Old 01-16-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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Hi all,

1 Cor 3
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If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

I believe this is understood to not be literal straw or wood being burnt up, but it is the works that are like straw and wood. This is a metaphor. It is speaking spiritually.

When does this happen? When are they burnt up (metaphorically speaking here)?

Does it happen in this life? Is it a continuous process that is happening throughout this life? or does it happen after this life at judgment day?

 
Old 01-16-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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Interesting question. -- Perhaps, since this scripture addresses the judgement of believers (for rewards only!), that it will occur at that particular time. However, Since the discussion is more metaphorical in nature and we do not really carry around 'empty works', like so much 'wood, hay and straw' -- it is unclear 'when' that actually occurs. Perhaps, they are already revealed and destroyed by the Word of God on an ongoing basis (Heb 4:12).

An interesting aspect of the 'when' discussion is the fact that God created 'earth time' in Genesis; suggesting that 'time', as we understand it, probably does not otherwise exist in eternity. Therefore, all earthbound discussions of 'when' and 'where' will become somewhat moot after we leave this sphere.
 
Old 01-16-2011, 12:34 PM
 
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Hi all,

1 Cor 3
12
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

I believe this is understood to not be literal straw or wood being burnt up, but it is the works that are like straw and wood. This is a metaphor. It is speaking spiritually.

When does this happen? When are they burnt up (metaphorically speaking here)?
Does it happen in this life? Yes
Is it a continuous process that is happening throughout this life? Yes
Or does it happen after this life at judgment day? Yes


Simply, speaking!
 
Old 01-17-2011, 02:38 AM
 
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That burning is what we Catholics call Purgatory.
 
Old 01-17-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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Hi all,

1 Cor 3
12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

I believe this is understood to not be literal straw or wood being burnt up, but it is the works that are like straw and wood. This is a metaphor. It is speaking spiritually.

When does this happen? When are they burnt up (metaphorically speaking here)?

Does it happen in this life? Is it a continuous process that is happening throughout this life? or does it happen after this life at judgment day?
This is to test believers works, and does not apply to unbelieveres. I think the results of the test are revealed to us right after physical death, meaning the test is already complete when we arrive in heaven.
 
Old 01-17-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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This is to test believers works, and does not apply to unbelieveres. I think the results of the test are revealed to us right after physical death, meaning the test is already complete when we arrive in heaven.
I bet Finn gets an A+ on his test when it comes. I would to God all believers get an A+
 
Old 01-17-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Does it happen in this life? Yes
Is it a continuous process that is happening throughout this life? Yes
Or does it happen after this life at judgment day? Yes

Simply, speaking!
I agree.
 
Old 01-17-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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This is to test believers works, and does not apply to unbelieveres. I think the results of the test are revealed to us right after physical death, meaning the test is already complete when we arrive in heaven.
This does not apply to unbelievers!

Not only to test the works, but to test what a person faith was placed on.

gold, silver, costly stones, resemble the faiths that held Jesus as precious

wood, hay or straw, resemble the faiths that held Jesus not as precious

There are several important things to keep in mind:
  • Faith is what saves .... from the most precious to the least precious.
  • God looks for any hint of true faith "to save those who believes" before a person can not escape the flames of hell
    • "a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,"Matthew 12:20
    • If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
 
Old 01-17-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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This is to test believers works, and does not apply to unbelieveres. I think the results of the test are revealed to us right after physical death, meaning the test is already complete when we arrive in heaven.
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This does not apply to unbelievers!

Not only to test the works, but to test what a person faith was placed on.

gold, silver, costly stones, resemble the faiths that held Jesus as precious

wood, hay or straw, resemble the faiths that held Jesus not as precious

There are several important things to keep in mind:
  • Faith is what saves .... from the most precious to the least precious.
  • God looks for any hint of true faith "to save those who believes" before a person can not escape the flames of hell
    • "a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,"Matthew 12:20
    • If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
There is no basis whatsoever for the distinction you make between believers and unbelievers. It is elitist, exclusivist, self-serving nonsense revealing an un-Christ-like attitude and mind set. How anyone could believe Jesus would find that acceptable is beyond belief. It is a fruit that cannot be of the Holy Spirit . . . though I'm certain some spirit is involved.
 
Old 01-17-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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This does not apply to unbelievers!

Not only to test the works, but to test what a person faith was placed on.

gold, silver, costly stones, resemble the faiths that held Jesus as precious

wood, hay or straw, resemble the faiths that held Jesus not as precious

There are several important things to keep in mind:
  • Faith is what saves .... from the most precious to the least precious.
  • God looks for any hint of true faith "to save those who believes" before a person can not escape the flames of hell
    • "a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,"Matthew 12:20
    • If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Amen.... Twin !! Faith is such an important and big part of the believer life.

It is awesome to experience individuals God has so filled up with His Spirit (sanctified) that everything they say and do is by faith and nothing of the old man..... you sense nothing but the presence of Christ in and through their lives....

"When we are abiding in Christ, even as He and the Father are one, so we become one with Him. - Francis Frangipane"

Therefore when an individual is one with the Father......
there will no longer be straw and wood come forth from that life for Him to burn up, amen, just like you said,
"gold, silver, costly stones, resemble the faiths that held Jesus as precious," amen !!!

"If you dominate yourself with the truths of His Word and get beyond the natural limitations of your five senses, you can start releasing the supernatural life that's inside you. - Andrew Wommack"
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