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Old 01-17-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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So, the Bible says that Adam and Eve were the first humans and their sons were Cain and Abel who were the third and fourth humans, respectively.

After Cain killed Abel, god cast him out of Eden and gave him the mark so that he would not be killed by the other peoples of the world who knew that he was outlawed from Eden. However, if Adam and Eve were the first humans, then how could there already be existing peoples of the world that Cain needed protection from?

How does this make sense??? The Bible clearly references pre-existing civilizations that existed prior to and concurrent with Adam and Eve.
You are not a Bible reader, then, to make such statements that are so off the wall like that.

Adam means "human".
Cain was the first son, but there were daughters, also.

Adam, the firstborn of our race who gives our race it's name, was cast down and out of Eden, which is a heavenly paradise of this earth's creation; and the firstborn Adam, his wife, and all their future offspring [who were seed in his loins], were forbidden by the Cherubim with flaming swords from ever entering the gates of Eden again, lest they take of the tree of Life and live forever as defiled human beings in the vessels of destruction; which would make it impossible for them to ever be redeemed and regenerated in the New Man name which was to come.
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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How do you understand the calendars of all the ancient civilizations then?
All the law of the Hebrews was based on scrutinizing days, months and years.
Perhaps it will help if I use a current culture that still uses non-linear (circular) time. In some Latin American cultures time is focused on as circular events . . . not linear time sequences. For example a company may agree to ship 4000 widgets in March on Wednesday the 12th. They cannot be counted on to adhere to the specific date . . . because to them the event is the commitment. They might miss the shipment date and simply say . . . we will honor our commitment and ship on next Wednesday . . . because for them their internal relationship to time is circular and event oriented . . . not linear sequential. They FOCUS on the Wednesday in March . . . not the specific one. This is similar enough that it should help you to understand the difference in the use of time being discussed.
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Old 01-17-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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the Bible says that Adam and Eve were the first humans .
Actually it doesn't friend.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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Actually it doesn't friend.
Actually it does friend:

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 CLV (45) If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also.
Thus it is written also, The first human, Adam, "became a
living soul:the last Adam a vivifying Spirit." (46) But not first the
spiritual, but the soulish, thereupon the spiritual." (47) The first human was
out of the earth, soilish; the second Man is the Lord out of heaven."

Since Adam was the first human and Eve came out of the first human it proves Adam and Eve were the first humans.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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Non omnipotent humans would think so.

But why should He have created more people in the first place? He wanted all the human race to be related to Adam and what Adam did would affect the whole human race as a backdrop to show that the Second Adam, Jesus would affect the whole human race by what He did.

Read Romans 5:12,18,19; 1 Cor.15:22.
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So you are saying that God wanted the first man to commit Original Sin so all mankind could be punished for it?
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:28 PM
 
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So you are saying that God wanted the first man to commit Original Sin so all mankind could be punished for it?

Absolutely. That is how God wanted it and got it.

This sets the stage so all mankind will know what it is like to be saved out of sin and death through the second Adam.

Or do you think God is also unfair by making all mankind righteous due to what one Man did?
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Old 01-17-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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Absolutely. That is how God wanted it and got it.

This sets the stage so all mankind will know what it is like to be saved out of sin and death through the second Adam.

Or do you think God is also unfair by making all mankind righteous due to what one Man did?
If this was remotely true, it would be the biggest BS this universe has ever seen. Set man up to fail JUST to show off some kind of power trip while in between, all the suffering and pain mankind has known. That sounds like the mind of some sadistic despot than an all-wise being.
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Old 01-17-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Actually it does friend:

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 CLV (45) If there is a soulish body, there is a spiritual also.
Thus it is written also, The first human, Adam, "became a
living soul:the last Adam a vivifying Spirit." (46) But not first the
spiritual, but the soulish, thereupon the spiritual." (47) The first human was
out of the earth, soilish; the second Man is the Lord out of heaven."

Since Adam was the first human and Eve came out of the first human it proves Adam and Eve were the first humans.
The cultural surroundings of Genesis places Adam and his successors after the Old Stone Age and at the threshold of the Bronze Age, a time frame called the Neolithic Age. References to tents, farming, livestock, musical instruments, implements of bronze, and even iron in the Genesis narrative give us a rough time frame where Adam belongs. Secondly, if Adam was the first human, then Christ is the last Adam...or human....and we are all living in a reality that never existed after Christ...since He is the last human. Carry on....dear Eusebius.
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Old 01-17-2011, 06:31 PM
 
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When the fable was written no one paid any attention to script continuity so these conflicts and impossible time-lines crept into the storyline.
Bingo. The rest of y'all crack me up. LOL.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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Bingo. The rest of y'all crack me up. LOL.
The Historical Genesis

Enjoy!
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