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Old 01-20-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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Sin is debt. This is one of the most overlooked understandings about what Sin is.

In light of this then, understand that if some sins will not be forgiven then that means the debt is still owed. So how do they get paid back? You have to PAY for them. In other words Mercy is to NOT have to pay back your sins.

So if you don't have Mercy towards another it is said that God will not have Mercy on you. So that means you would have to then PAY for your sins.

There is no sins that can't be paid for. Otherwise, Jesus could have never given His life to pay for ALL of our sins.

So in your studies and as you read the scriptures, continue to bring to mind that sin is debt and it will help you to understand the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus and wonderful it really was.
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Old 01-20-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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Default The 'eternal sin'

Mark 3:28-29 (New International Version, ©2010)

28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
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Old 01-20-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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Mark 3:28-29 (New International Version, ©2010)

28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
It isn't eternal. That is a misunderstanding of the word aionios that is interpreted as "eternal". If a sin can be eternal then it means that ALL sins were NEVER nailed to the Cross and that Jesus only came to save the least of sinners.
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:15 PM
 
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Unforgiven sin is the rejection of the grace, forgiveness, salvation and eternal life God offers through Christ during this lifetime. A person who dies in that condition, continues-on in the separation from God that they have chosen... for eternity.

All owe their very life (creation) to God ... who also offers forgiveness, eternal life (Spiritual) and relationship with Himself through Christ to all! Just as many seek to avoid earthly consequences for their choices, many seem to think they can avoid heavenly consequences/wages ... as evidenced by the excessive (baseless) perception in CD forums, that 'a loving God really wouldn't allow hell (or wages/consequences) to exist'. -- What a foolishly unnecessary choice!
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:28 PM
 
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Unforgiven sin is the rejection of the grace, forgiveness, salvation and eternal life God offers through Christ during this lifetime. A person who dies in that condition, continues-on in the separation from God that they have chosen... for eternity.

All owe their very life (creation) to God ... who also offers forgiveness, eternal life (Spiritual) and relationship with Himself through Christ to all! Just as many seek to avoid earthly consequences for their choices, many seem to think they can avoid heavenly consequences/wages ... as evidenced by the excessive (baseless) perception in CD forums, that 'a loving God really wouldn't allow hell (or wages/consequences) to exist'. -- What a foolishly unnecessary choice!
That just is not scriptural. Again, if that were true then Jesus only came to save the least of sinners.
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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1 John 5:16-17
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. KJV

This is the apostolic wisdom of our Lord Jesus through his apostle John, who he sent out in his name.

We could fill the whole earth with books trying to fully explain this wisdom, and yet we could not exhaust all this wisdom.

Rom 3:5-8
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
KJV

This wisdom of God through Paul is the same in quality as the wisdom of God through John.

It comes to this: Sin grows as law grows. As sin grows, grace grows much more. The law is holy, just and good. Grace is better.

Eojj
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Old 01-20-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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1 John 5:16-17
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. KJV

This is the apostolic wisdom of our Lord Jesus through his apostle John, who he sent out in his name.

We could fill the whole earth with books trying to fully explain this wisdom, and yet we could not exhaust all this wisdom.

Rom 3:5-8
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
KJV

This wisdom of God through Paul is the same in quality as the wisdom of God through John.

It comes to this: Sin grows as law grows. As sin grows, grace grows much more. The law is holy, just and good. Grace is better.

Eojj
Great post.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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Pro 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
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Old 01-20-2011, 03:22 PM
 
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If we choose to blasphemy the Holy Spirit ... that was the last chance to accept/believe in God/Jesus/Holy Spirit.

God gives us three chances: He will forgive if we blasphemy Him; He then gives us a second chance with His son Jesus Christ; if we blasphemy Jesus there is one final opportunity: the Holy Spirit. If one rejects/blasphemies the Holy Spirit, it is spoken by Jesus that that was the last straw...the unforgivable sin.

You believe what you choose to believe....He gave us Free Will.

I choose to believe the Word of God.

Blessings.
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Old 01-20-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Mark 3:28-29 (New International Version, ©2010)

28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
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It isn't eternal. That is a misunderstanding of the word aionios that is interpreted as "eternal". If a sin can be eternal then it means that ALL sins were NEVER nailed to the Cross and that Jesus only came to save the least of sinners.
Katie45 you are correct. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which could only be committed while Jesus Christ was on the earth (because it had to do with accusing Jesus of performing His miracles by means of Satan) was tantamount to unbelief in Christ. Unbelief itself of course is always possible, and if a person dies never having believed in Jesus, then that sin cannot be forgiven.

What those who would tell you that the Greek word aionios can't be used for eternal things fail to recognize is that the Greek word aionios and related words, are certainly used both in and out of the Bible for things of an eternal nature. The words used in the following verses are aionian, aioniou and aionion.

Hebrews 9:12 Speaking of Jesus and the eternal redemption He obtained. 'and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal (aionian) redemption. Jesus didn't obtain for us some temporary age-lasting redemption. He obtained eternal redemption. A redemption that is final and will never come to an end.

Heb 9:14 regarding the Holy Spirit. ...'how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal (aioniou) Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from good works to serve the living God? No sensible person would think that the passage is referring to an age-lasting Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God and is eternal.

In Heb 5:9 we see that the believers salvation is eternal. 'And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey (believe) Him the source of eternal (aioniou) salvation,

Compare Heb 5:9 with 1 John 5:11 'And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal (aionion) life, and this life is in His Son. 12] He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13] These things are written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal (aionion ) life.

Jesus Christ who is God and is eternal, and who is also in His humanity in a resurrected immortal body does not have some temporary age-during life, He has nothing less than eternal life. The same eternal life that is given to those who believe in Him.

As for the use of aion and aionios outside of the Bible, simply refer to Philo.

Excerpt:
126 As to Philo, the sentence is in De Mundo, 7, en aioni de oute pareleluthen ouden, oute mellei, alla monon iphesteken. Such a definition needs no explanation: in eternity nothing is passed, nothing is about to be, but only subsists. This has the importance of being of the date and Hellenistic Greek of the New Testament, as the others give the regular, and at the same time philosophical force of the word, aion, aionios.
On the Greek words for Eternity and Eternal

So Katie45, don't ever let anyone tell you that the translators of the New Testament were a bunch of dumb bunnies who collectively could not figure out how to properly translate the Greek word Aion and its derivatives. The word can mean an indefinite period but not endless, or it can mean an indefinite period because endless. It depends on the context.
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