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Old 01-21-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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I'm confused!

Some of us say the Sabbath must and can only be Saturday, some of us say it's Sunday for Christians...
It's clear there must be a day on which we do no work at all, but worship God all day long. Yes! That's what I do every Sunday for as far as I know Christians have been doing this for centuries...
but, does any of you say that moving the Sabbath day to Sunday was illegal, a sin, and those who devote Sunday to God instead of Saturday are guilty of not keeping the "true Sabbath day"?? Will you help me out?
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:28 PM
 
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twin.spin, isn't it nice when two can agree?
Yes it can be.

The problem (not so much a "problem") but sometimes we are
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:31 PM
 
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Who cares? Is it really so important?
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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I'm confused!

Some of us say the Sabbath must and can only be Saturday, some of us say it's Sunday for Christians...
It's clear there must be a day on which we do no work at all, but worship God all day long. Yes! That's what I do every Sunday for as far as I know Christians have been doing this for centuries...
but, does any of you say that moving the Sabbath day to Sunday was illegal, a sin, and those who devote Sunday to God instead of Saturday are guilty of not keeping the "true Sabbath day"?? Will you help me out?
Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.


balanced with:

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

In other words..if you feel personally that Sat is the best way to worship God, fine. If it's Sunday...fine, or Monday night, Thursday night (whatever). However do not judge that God looks for a specific day and that is the only way.

Love and mercy now allows us to worship gladfully, cheerfully and in spirit and truth any day of the week. The law limited it.

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Old 01-21-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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Bible Study - What Did Paul Really Say in Colossians 2:16? > God's Festivals: Keys to Humanity's Future
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Old 01-21-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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Who cares? Is it really so important?
It's only important when as Christians, who are no longer under the law, want to become a slave again to the law.
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:05 PM
 
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[ We keep God a priority in our life but no longer as a set day of the week.
Exactly - serving Him is not a holiday, but a constant living through Him as branch draws its life from the Vine. (John 15:5) That's what truly resting in Him means.

<<< Seeing the sabbath as a day of the week has the church serving man on Friday (or Saturday) night, and then dressing up their carnality for church the next morning - following Him is a full time way of life.>>>
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Old 01-21-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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I'm confused!

Some of us say the Sabbath must and can only be Saturday, some of us say it's Sunday for Christians...
It's clear there must be a day on which we do no work at all, but worship God all day long. Yes! That's what I do every Sunday for as far as I know Christians have been doing this for centuries...
but, does any of you say that moving the Sabbath day to Sunday was illegal, a sin, and those who devote Sunday to God instead of Saturday are guilty of not keeping the "true Sabbath day"?? Will you help me out?
Hello doesntspringtomind,

There was never a changing of the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath as far as God's holy Word is concerned. Jesus kept it...Paul kept it...Peter kept it...Luke kept it...Matthew kept it...Mark kept it...John kept it...Timothy kept it...Silus kept it...Titus kept it...they all taught in the Synagogues on the Sabbath...true Jewish people kept, and still do!, to this day, keep the Seventh Day (Saturday) holy unto God. "Spiritual Israel"...(those who aren't born a Jew...a Gentile by birth), walk in the will of the LORD God..His beloved...keep the Fourth Commandment of God too...this is the Seal of God upon those who do...and always will be.

This is what is being spoken of in Scripture when it speaks of man following the "traditions" of man...if one does not keep the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath holy unto God, they transgress the law...which is the Ten Commandments..and we know from Scripture...that sin is the transgression of God's law. If you know this (and now you do if you didn't before) and you continue to not honor God on His Day...and you do not take it upon yourself to search diligently and earnestly the Scripture for this truth...you will never walk in the "Knowledge of The Truth." I can provide Scripture for all of this if you would like me to...just let me know.

"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church."
Catholic Press, Australia, August 25,1900

The legal change from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday) did not occur until AD321 --over two hundred and eighty years after the death of Christ. It was a proclamation of the Roman emperor Constantine which declared:

"On the Venerable day of the SUN let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. Given the seventh day of March [AD 321] Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time."

- The First Sunday Law of Constantine 1, in "Codex Justinianus" translated in Phillip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol 3 p.380.

Historical records show that Constantine was trying to unite the Mithra (Sun God) worshipping pagans and his new found friends, the Christians. Those who honor SUNday unknowingly honor the God of the Sun, not the God of creation who said:

"THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD". Exodus 20:8-17

Where in the Scriptures did God change it to the first (Sunday) day?



"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)



It is not wrong to gather on Sunday to fellowship as well...but you must honor the LORD's Day. If you do fellowship on Sunday with those who do not believe in this...after realizing that it is indeed Saturday that is the Sabbath...you will find in time, that little by little, you realize that you cannot easily fellowship with un-believer's...they will begin to attack your beliefs...and call you a liar...and a trouble maker..then you will have to leave...I know. I tried.

God Bless you in your searching and finding Truth...

In Christ's love,
Verna.

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Old 01-21-2011, 06:29 PM
 
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Hello doesntspringtomind,

There was never a changing of the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath as far as God's holy Word is concerned. Jesus kept it...Paul kept it...Peter kept it...Luke kept it...Matthew kept it...Mark kept it...John kept it...Timothy kept it...Silus kept it...Titus kept it...they all taught in the Synagogues on the Sabbath...true Jewish people kept, and still do!, to this day, keep the Seventh Day (Saturday) holy unto God. "Spiritual Israel"...(those who aren't born a Jew...a Gentile by birth), walk in the will of the LORD God..His beloved...keep the Fourth Commandment of God too...this is the Seal of God upon those who do...and always will be.

This is what is being spoken of in Scripture when it speaks of man following the "traditions" of man...if one does not keep the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath holy unto God, they transgress the law...which is the Ten Commandments..and we know from Scripture...that sin is the transgression of God's law. If you know this (and now you do if you didn't before) and you continue to not honor God on His Day...and you do not take it upon yourself to search diligently and earnestly the Scripture for this truth...you will never walk in the "Knowledge of The Truth." I can provide Scripture for all of this if you would like me to...just let me know.

"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church."
Catholic Press, Australia, August 25,1900

The legal change from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday) did not occur until AD321 --over two hundred and eighty years after the death of Christ. It was a proclamation of the Roman emperor
Constantine which declared:

"On the Venerable day of the SUN let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. Given the seventh day of March [AD 321] Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time."

- The First Sunday Law of Constantine 1, in "Codex Justinianus" translated in Phillip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol 3 p.380.

Historical records show that Constantine was trying to unite the Mithra (Sun God) worshipping pagans and his new found friends, the Christians. Those who honor SUNday unknowingly honor the God of the Sun, not the God of creation who said:

"THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD". Exodus 20:8-17

Where in the Scriptures did God change it to the first (Sunday) day?



"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)



It is not wrong to gather on Sunday to fellowship as well...but you must honor the LORD's Day. If you do fellowship on Sunday with those who do not believe in this...after realizing that it is indeed Saturday that is the Sabbath...you will find in time, that little by little, you realize that you cannot easily fellowship with un-believer's...they will begin to attack your beliefs...and call you a liar...and a trouble maker..then you will have to leave...I know. I tried.

God Bless you in your searching and finding Truth...

In Christ's love,
Verna.
amen.
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Old 01-21-2011, 07:41 PM
 
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You know, I have really been praying about this topic since Verna and I went round and round some time ago.

The Spirit was leading me, and I wasn't listening, at that time.

Since then though, and especially now, I am moved to respond in a way that will be clear to all. Perhaps you may 'hear', perhaps not.

The Ten Commandments are not meant to 'obey'. Do you all understand this? You CANNOT 'obey' them, no more can you 'obey' a rock that they were written on. So please, stop using the word 'obey'.

They are the LAWS of God. They are, and ALWAYS will be, His written guidelines(commands) for humanity to live in His Harmony. With Him, and with each other.

We cannot 'keep' the Law, and when I say Law, it is ONLY the 10 commands, written on stone, placed in the Ark. Why can't we 'keep' it? Because we were NEVER meant to. EVER!



Now, what can we do then? Nothing! There is NOTHING you can do to try and 'keep' that which cannot be kept. How can I say this? Because Jesus has explained it, and I SEE it. I am not going to post the NUMEROUS verses having Him explain this to the Pharisees, because the Pharisees could not 'see' it either. Read it yourself, and ask the Spirit for guidance.

Now settle down Verna, I will explain.

We ARE called to HONOR the Law out of love. The love we have for our Father, and the love we have for one another. This is why the Law hangs on THIS important Law. The Law of Love. AS far as the 10 Commandments go? We cannot ever obey it, but we honor it. Hopefully this makes sense. Even the rich man who 'kept' the Law never actually honored it. This is why he could not go the extra mile, out of love.

So, back to the Sabbath. We are called to honor it, out of our love for the Father. The Father also knows when we have to feed our families, if called to work, and He also knows our hearts. This is why Jesus allowed His disciples to pick and eat grain on the Sabbath. They did not dishonor the Father, because their hearts were right with the Father.

So, you ALL are right in the fact that for some, they honor the Sabbath, while others see no need to 'OBEY' ANY LAWS.

The REAL question is?

Is YOUR heart right with God, His Son, and your fellow brothers and sisters? If it is, then there is no other explanation need, nor warranted.

With Love,,

Tony
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