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Old 01-24-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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sisterkat...awesome story! reminds me that there are a lot of ppl who wouldn't be on this planet if everyone lived 'by the book'.so her daughter was meant to be here,and God has a special plan for her. and it's starting to show already.great story,thx for sharing.
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Old 01-24-2011, 07:38 PM
 
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Having read through several pages, I'm still not sure what the original poster meant by Universalism, except that they didn't seem to be talking about the denomination.

Is it just being used as a term for universal salvation?
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Old 01-24-2011, 09:33 PM
 
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Having read through several pages, I'm still not sure what the original poster meant by Universalism, except that they didn't seem to be talking about the denomination.

Is it just being used as a term for universal salvation?
Yes. She is a Christian Universalist, which is not a denomination but a belief that God will, in the end, save all mankind. It is also called UR on this board which stands for Universal Reconciliation.
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:10 AM
 
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I believe it is so wonderful to see Ilene speak of the wonderful joy she has received in having had her eyes opened to the Truth.
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:52 AM
 
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I have been looking for a thread to post a special story in and I think this one is a good fit.

This past weekend I witnessed one of the best loving “God” type moments where his Love completely filled a Church and his Love touched upon many, some who were even unbelievers.

One of my sons had a close friend in highschool who became pregnant out of wedlock at age 19. This young lady happens to also be my pastor’s daughter. She is the 4th of their 5 children. They had that perfect Christian family until this situation arose. The pastor’s daughter is a very beautiful young lady inside and out and I know her quite well. I had many discussions with her during her early pregnancy as she was undecided on whether to keep her baby or give it up for adoption.

Her Father, the pastor, handled the situation quite well. He shared in Church yesterday about the initial anger he felt for his daughter upon hearing the news and the anger he felt towards the man (who was 6 yrs older than his daughter) that she had met at their very own church and had relations with (relationship did not proceed from here with the man). The pastor said that he was so angry he felt like he could have easily caused a lot more damage but prayed to God for guidance. The message he received from God was “Forgiveness” and he had to walk through that door. He stood by his daughter through her pregnancy; he let the people of their church know about her situation. The members of the church also united stood by her, loved her and supported her.

She is a woman of great faith being brought up in a Christian family and she was very remorseful of the mistake she had made and felt extremely bad for the “scandal” (her words) that she felt she had caused for her Father in their Church. She said that during her pregnancy she prayed to God for his redemption and Love more than she ever has in her life.

She gave birth to a beautiful baby girl in December of 2009. She decided fairly early in her pregnancy that she would keep the baby. I have babysat for her on occasion and have also witnessed what a loving, dedicated Mother she has turned out to be. She gave up her social life almost completely too devout to motherhood. She often discussed with me that she was worried now that it would be hard to find love as most young men would shy away from her being now 20 years old with a young baby.

I told her to trust in God, that he had a plan for her and when the time was right he would bring to her a man that would love both her and her daughter. I also told her that she should not “settle” but only marry if she was really in love and not just for protection and support.

God works in mysterious ways. She met a wonderful Christian young man that she had met many years ago (he had played basketball with one of her older brothers). She met him when the baby was about 5 months old. A wonderful young man that I have met on many occasions – they adore each other and were married this past Saturday.

The Church ceremony was beautiful and the pastor (not the bride’s Father but the pastor of the groom’s church) even had to stop a few times during the ceremony as he was so emotional.

He talked of how he never ever witnessed such evidence of God’s redeeming grace and love as he witnessed with this story. He talked about how God Loves us more than we could ever imagine and if we can just trust in him and open the door to a relationship with him we can truly all have the opportunity to partake of his Love. After the couple was married, a small communion was performed and then the little baby girl, who just started walking on her first birthday in December walked down the aisle into the arms of her new daddy who had written a beautiful letter to her telling her how he had fallen in love also with her when he fell in love with her Mother and then he placed a medallion around her neck, held her and in tears he promised to Love her as his own. There was not a dry eye in this Church. The pastor felt that this couple’s story would be a testimony of God’s unending Love for his children and show many people that we are all sinners and that God forgives.

The master of ceremonies later at the reception spoke that he was not a man of God, that he was not brought up with religion but watching his friend (the bride) go through what she did and the whole pastor’s daughter scenario and how he has witnessed her family, her church and the Love that he said he could feel vibrating in that church early in the day, that he had felt God’s unending Love for the very first time earlier that day.

I truly believed that the Pastor (bride’s father) has been taught a lesson or two by being directly involved with this story. I do not know how he feels down deep about UR or ET – Hell is never discussed at our church. I am sure though that he did a full circle with his daughter and that he was angry with her, he forgave her and something very beautiful came from something that was initially so wrong. God's Love healed and touched this entire congregation and more unbelievers who witnessed this story. I personally cried such tears of joy through our entire church services yesterday. I too felt his Love so much this past few days that my faith has strengthened to a point now where to me there is absolutely no doubt that our God is a God of Love and forgiveness and that he loves us so much more than even our own Father's love us. He will not let one single one of us suffer for all eternity. I do not think he could bear it. I know it in my heart.

God is also a God of Wisdom; and His plans for the redemption and salvation of mankind are the only plans that can be adopted for men to try to follow, in order that they may receive this salvation. He is also a God of Power and in the days to come, when He sees fit to carry out and perfect His plans in their full fruition, He will through the working of His Spirit, which is perfect in its working, destroy all sin and error in His Universe, and perfect harmony will reign and man will be at peace and happiness.

So God is everything in nature and attributes which will not only redeem men from their sins, but will make them lovers of one another and brothers in the true sense of the word. I witness this to a very high degree this weekend – the love that was felt by all and the way this church came together and loved one another. We all are sinners.

It is hard to write the full emotions that were felt. Sorry this is so long – perhaps too long for many of you to read, but this is a story of God’s unending Love that I had to put to paper.

God is so Good and I love him so very much!

Thank you God for being there. AMEN~!
Oh what a powerful story of love and redemption SisterKat!! Thank you for sharing this on my thread, I feel blessed. I'm just going to ignore what came after this beautiful post.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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in the sense that one side is showing hatred and the other nothing but love.
I have to disagree here simply because everyone here has their moments when they take the differences to the level of getting personal. The side of UR has no greater righteousness in this area or any other area when it comes to their faith and how as a whole one another is treated.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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I have to disagree here simply because everyone here has their moments when they take the differences to the level of getting personal. The side of UR has no greater righteousness in this area or any other area when it comes to their faith and how as a whole one another is treated.
You know Phaze, I have to assume you're saying this to CYA. Your posts rarely show the love that I was speaking of....there are exceptions. Yes, we all have our moments but if you can't see the difference between the posts then there's something wrong.

And out of that beautiful OP, this is the best you can do?
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:58 PM
 
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You know Phaze, I have to assume you're saying this to CYA. Your posts rarely show the love that I was speaking of....there are exceptions. Yes, we all have our moments but if you can't see the difference between the posts then there's something wrong.

And out of that beautiful OP, this is the best you can do?

Oh no I did fine and you make my point.
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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That (loving the person even as you hate their works) is a Godly quality, imo - and I respect that.
Thank you.

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I thought that was pretty dishonest too. I am not saying the Christians here are perfect, because no one is, but to say URs show nothing by love is simply not true. I have received more disrespect and judgment from the urs here than you can imagine.
True yet we cannot point out the hate of others without being accused of spreading hate.
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:56 PM
 
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Oh no I did fine and you make my point.
No, I made my point and that's the whole purpose of debate and pointing out where one might be at fault. Where's the love Phaze? You're always so disappointing to me.
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