Sheep and goats (Leviticus, punishment, doctrine, Revelation)
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KJVMat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
WWMat 25:33 And he shall set the old on his right hand, but the babes on the left.
νήπιος
nēpios
Thayer Definition:
1) an infant, little child
2) a minor, not of age
3) metaphorically childish, untaught, unskilled
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from an obsolete particle ne- (implying negation) and G2031
Citing in TDNT: 4:912, 631
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KJVTit 2:11-12 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
παιδεύω
paideuō
Thayer Definition:
1) to train children
1a) to be instructed or taught or learn
1b) to cause one to learn
2) to chastise
2a) to chastise or castigate with words, to correct
2a1) of those who are moulding the character of others by reproof and admonition
2b) of God
2b1) to chasten by the affliction of evils and calamities
2c) to chastise with blows, to scourge
2c1) of a father punishing his son
2c2) of a judge ordering one to be scourged
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G3816
Citing in TDNT: 5:596, 753
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Sheeps and goats is about judgement.
[sup][size=6pt]KJV[/size][/sup]1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Chastened=teaching => See defenition above.
κρίνω
krinō
Thayer Definition:
1) to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose
2) to approve, esteem, to prefer
3) to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion
4) to determine, resolve, decree
5) to judge
5a) to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong
5a1) to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one's case may be examined and judgment passed upon it
5b) to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure
5b1) of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others
6) to rule, govern
6a) to preside over with the power of giving judicial decisions, because it was the prerogative of kings and rulers to pass judgment
7) to contend together, of warriors and combatants
7a) to dispute
7b) in a forensic sense
7b1) to go to law, have suit at law
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: perhaps a primitive word
Citing in TDNT: 3:921, 469[hr]
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Hi WW,
I don't want to derail the thread, I just want to share a current thought of mine on this parable: any human being can be considered a sheep or a goat on any given day. We can do good, and be considered a sheep. Or we can not do good, and be considered a goat.
So I don't know if these two "labels" are static labels. In fact, just because someone says they are "Christian" does not mean that they are doing good works!
Likewise, someone may do good works (sheep works) and not even call themselves "Christian!"
That's more like wheat and shaff. They are both part of the same plant.
Sinner will be spared but the sin (chaff) will be destroyed.
Surely there is some overlap with sheep/goat but the OP point in a different direction.
People seem to think goat are bad. But Leviticus shows that God accepts goat as an offering. The Temple curtain had goat hair in it.
That's more like wheat and shaff. They are both part of the same plant.
Sinner will be spared but the sin (chaff) will be destroyed.
Surely there is some overlap with sheep/goat but the OP point in a different direction.
People seem to think goat are bad. But Leviticus shows that God accepts goat as an offering. IIRC the Temple curtain had goat hair in it.
Yes, I agree. In fact, the sacrifice for sin was acceptable either with a sheep or goat. I don't see where a goat is "bad" either.
"And he brought the people's offering, and took the goat, which was the sin offering for the people, and slew it, and offered it for sin, as the first." Lev. 9.15
I don't see a distinction between sheep and goat. Or am I missing something?
Of course there are goats and sheep. Go to a farm and see the proof of that.
Goats are not unclean animals. They are fit for offering. (most animals are not)
Unclean animals won't even allowed near the Temple. Needless to say their hair wouldn't be used in the heart of the Temple.
So that simply proves goats are clean. And not evil as often shown in cartoons that show satan as half goat.
So just that little fact should be proof the seperation of goat and sheep isn't about good and evil.
Although related the OP is not about that. It's basicly about a (possible) translation error.
Just like good fish and bad fish, the angels will separate the good from the bad and throw the bad ones in the fire. There are many parables about this separation of good from the bad.
Part of ME is going in that fire... and I could not be more pleased about that revelation.
We're all BOTH sheep and goats.
We're all BOTH Wheat and Chaff.
Those who think they are the wheat and others are the Chaff think too poorly of others.
Those who think they are the chaff and others are the wheat, think too poorly of themselves.
We have BOTH within.
And we're all walking both roads at once.
What is walking on the narrow road within us REMAINS.
What is walking on the WIDE road within us is being DESTROYED.
We are all in this together and God loves us ALL and has ALL of us in the palm of His hand. You (general you) are just as special as everyone else in this world. You are a unique and beautiful creation that cannot be replaced. You are loved. You are a CRUCIAL part of His plan. Of His creation. You are being refined and this is a beautiful thing.
I'm not sure about that Sparrow. If there are really goats and sheep you are right.
But if it's an translation error then then it means young and old. We can't be young and old at the same time.
Quote:
We're all BOTH Wheat and Chaff.
Agreed
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