Mark 16:9

[svenM]

Originally Posted by nateswift

The Adventist link is very informative, but I didn't see a connection made with their assertion that both Saturday and Sunday were not the days theoretically ordained for worship. I assume the meaning s that worship should start Friday eve and the Sabbath maintained through Sat?

It rather seems that it are completely different, asynchronous calendars.

[Zur]

Originally Posted by SAAN

-Matthew 27 shows they wanted a guard there until the 3rd day



Matthew 27:62-65

New King James Version (NKJV)

Pilate Sets a Guard

62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”



-Matthew 28 shows after the sabbath was over the angel from heaven came and removed the stone, at this point the guards collapsed.

Matthew 28

New King James Version (NKJV)

He Is Risen

28 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door,[a] and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

-Luke 24 shows when they got there early at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.
Luke 24

New King James Version (NKJV)

He Is Risen

24 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly[b] perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”




-Mark 16 shows when they got there at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so once again, there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.
Mark 16

New King James Version (NKJV)

He Is Risen

16 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large. 5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.




-John 20 shows it was dark when they got to the tomb on Sunday and the tomb was empty, so yet another gospel shows he did not rise at sunrise and was already gone

John 20

New King James Version (NKJV)

The Empty Tomb

20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”
3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. 5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went away again to their own homes.








-All 4 gospels shows the Sabbath was over and it was now the 1rst day of the week and he had already risen from the grave before the sun rose. Mathew 28 is the only one that gives an account of when the angel came and it was after the Sabbath on the 1rst day of the week, so the "he rose at sunrise" is false and "he rose on the Sabbath is also False", so since he rose on Sunday the 17th of Nissan and died on Nisan 14.




The scenarios i listed earlier, its only the 1rst 2 scenarios below that would agree with scripture. The Wednesday one would work only if you counted 72 literal hours after 3pm that day and after the sun went down on Saturday night and its the 1rst day off the week he rose. Even if Jesus did wake up on Saturday at 3pm, he could have prayed to his father until the stone was removed on Sunday, so rising from a grave is not until the grave is physically open which was on Sunday as supported by all 4 gospels.



14th Thursday Died @ 3PM
15th Friday-Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread): No work allowed
16th Saturday-Sabbath: No work allowed
17th Sunday -Rose from the Grave


14th Wednesday Died @ 3PM
15th Thursday Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed
16th Friday
17th Saturday Sabbath- Rose from the grave after sunset


14th Friday Died @ 3PM
15th Saturday: Dual Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed
16th Sunday
17th Monday-Rose from the Grave

Shalom!
I agree that the theory of a resurrection on Sunday morning the gospels do not support. But you do not understand when the Sabbath ends and the new day begins. The dawn in Mat has nothing to do with sunrise Sunday morning. From this mistake the interpretation of the resurrection on Sunday morning comes from. The Jewish new day dawns (begins) in the evening and not in the morning. The same Greek word is used in Luke 23: 54 and is not translated "dawn" but the Sabbath drew on., every one agrees that is Friday about sunset and not Saturday morning, but why does nobody see this also in Mat 28:1? Maybe because of the translation "after the Sabbath", the Greek here means the end of the Sabbath, which is the better translation (KJV).
When Jesus rose from the dead Sabbath 3pm He had not to wait till the angel rolled away the stone and every one could see Him. That did not happen. His resurrected body can go through materie as every spiritual body. Proof: He came into the room of the disciples when the doors were closed.
God bless!

[Zur]

Originally Posted by svenM

I might have been too hasty:

The planetary week seems to have been known already in the 1st century:

http://www.4angelspublications.com/B...HAPTER%206.pdf

But this leaves us again with the question, if the 7-days-week as we know it today was already known, why did they not employ the literal Greek term for "first day of the week" i.e. "protos emera ebdomada" or somthing similar, the word "ebdomada" (week) is found both in the Septuagint and in Flavius Josephus. This undermines the claim that "sabaton" means week.

There is one article I read on the website that said in ancient Greek there was no "week" for sabbaton. This is used only about the first century. Where it says Sabbaths (plural) it could relate to "weeks" in Lev 23:15. But what interpretation ever is used it comes out that it is Sunday, beginning Saturday sunset. I would asked you that come from Gentile background, please realize that the bible is written by Jews and they had always a 7 day week as it was already in the creation week.

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[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by Zur

There is one article I read on the website that said in ancient Greek there was no "week" for sabbaton. This is used only about the first century. Where it says Sabbaths (plural) it could relate to "weeks" in Lev 23:15. But what interpretation ever is used it comes out that it is Sunday, beginning Saturday sunset. I would asked you that come from Gentile background, please realize that the bible is written by Jews and they had always a 7 day week as it was already in the creation week.

Matthew 28 v 1 end of Sabbath toward dawn, and early morning first day of the week.- Mark 16 v 2

Isn't there a distinction between the requirements for the regular weekly Sabbath and the Sabbaths [ holy conventions ] ?
- Lev. 23 v 2

A 'Sabbath year' was celebrated every seven years, or a seven-year cycle, when the land was allowed to rest.
- Deut. 15 vs 1,2,12; 14 v 28

When two legal Sabbaths fell on the same 24 hour period that was called a 'Great Sabbath' such as when Nisan 15 [ a Sabbath day ] co-insided with the regular Sabbath.- John 19 v 31

[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by Zur

Shalom!
His resurrected body can go through materie as every spiritual body. Proof: He came into the room of the disciples when the doors were closed.
God bless!

Shalom in return.
First of all Jesus did not resurrect himself out of hell, God resurrected Jesus. - Acts 2 vs 27,31,32; 13 vs 30,37

While Jesus had his physical body Jesus did not defy the law of gravity- Luke chapter 4
Physical bodies do not walk through closed doors.
The reason Jesus could appear in a closed room was because Jesus was resurrected by God in a spirit body and used different materialized bodies to appear on several occasions before Jesus ascended to heaven.
Such as the materialized body when Mary Magdalene mistook Jesus for a garden caretaker.
Such as the materialized body Jesus used on the seven-mile walk on the road from Jerusalem to Emmaus which the apostles mistakenly thought of Jesus as a stranger.
Such as the different materialized body Jesus produced for doubting Thomas.

[Zur]

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

Shalom in return.
First of all Jesus did not resurrect himself out of hell, God resurrected Jesus. - Acts 2 vs 27,31,32; 13 vs 30,37

While Jesus had his physical body Jesus did not defy the law of gravity- Luke chapter 4
Physical bodies do not walk through closed doors.
The reason Jesus could appear in a closed room was because Jesus was resurrected by God in a spirit body and used different materialized bodies to appear on several occasions before Jesus ascended to heaven.
Such as the materialized body when Mary Magdalene mistook Jesus for a garden caretaker.
Such as the materialized body Jesus used on the seven-mile walk on the road from Jerusalem to Emmaus which the apostles mistakenly thought of Jesus as a stranger.
Such as the different materialized body Jesus produced for doubting Thomas.

Jesus is not risen in the Spirit, because His S pirit and Soul did not die. Only the body dies and He rose bodily as a spiritual body (1.Cor 15:44). It was His physical body they could not find that was transformed in the resurrection (Luke 34:39). He ate(verse43). He showed Thomas His wounds. His resurrected body is not of the same material as we have now, but from heaven. His flesh, the physical body did not see corruption, it was transformed. The same will happen with our bodies in the first resurrection. We will have glorified bodies as Jesus has now.

[Zur]

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

Matthew 28 v 1 end of Sabbath toward dawn, and early morning first day of the week.- Mark 16 v 2

Isn't there a distinction between the requirements for the regular weekly Sabbath and the Sabbaths [ holy conventions ] ?
- Lev. 23 v 2

A 'Sabbath year' was celebrated every seven years, or a seven-year cycle, when the land was allowed to rest.
- Deut. 15 vs 1,2,12; 14 v 28

When two legal Sabbaths fell on the same 24 hour period that was called a 'Great Sabbath' such as when Nisan 15 [ a Sabbath day ] co-insided with the regular Sabbath.- John 19 v 31

The dawn in Mat 28:1 is at the end of the weekly Sabbath and the beginning of the new day is the same as the end of the Sabbath, the same time and the events early next Sunday morning are different events (Mark16:2). Mary Magdalene went two times to the tomb, in the end of the Sabbath at dawn together with the other Mary to visit the tomb and than before dawn Sunday morning again with several women to ambalm the body. The first time the stone was rolled away and she fled from the tomb and spoke to nobody, the second time the stone was already rolled away and she went into the tomb and went to Peter and John telling them the body of Christ is away. She did not believe the report of the angels. When she went the third time Jesus appeared to her. Then she went to the other women and when they all went to the disciples Jesus appeared to them and they touched His feet and worshipped Him.The Great Sabbath is the weekly Sabbath before Passover. The 15th of Nisan is the beginning of the first day of unleavened bread and is called a High Sabbath, they are different. There are 3 High Sabbaths, passover, shavuot and feast of tabernacles, when the Jews had to appeare before JHWH each year at the temple in Jerusalem, a holy convocation, also called Sabbath (Lev 23:32+39).
John 19:31 is the preparation day the 14th of Nisan for the annual Sabbath, the 15th of Nisan. A crucifixion from Friday to the resurrection on Sabbath does not work. Mary went before dawn Sunday morning and then Jesus was already risen. There is no 3 nights and also not a third day resurrection with seperation of day and night possible. Forget Good Friday and Sunday resurrection, it is a fraud of Rome.

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