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Old 03-16-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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You have to read!!! Mark 16:-12 make it very clear that it was Sunday.

Mk 16:1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesusí body.
Mk 16:2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb
Ok, let's say "first day of the week" (but that is not what it states in the Greek, it says Sabbaton, which means sabbaths or saturdays), the tomb was already empty...It says "Very early on one of the Sabbaths"...

καὶ and
λίαν πρωῒ very early
της μιας one
σαββάτων saturday(s), sabbath
ἔρχονται επὶ τὸ μνημειον, come (up)on the sepulchre
ανατείλαντος του rising of the
ηλίου. sun.
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Luke 24 v 1 On the first day of the week,.......[ one of the Sabbaths of dawn ]
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:34 AM
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Shalom!
rstrats
re:They found the stone removed from the tomb...
Mt 28:1 does say that an angel removed the stone. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary witnessed it, when they "visited" the tomb. Sunday morning they went again with the other women to embalm the body of Jesus. Maybe Mary Magdalene went before them, because it says that it was still dark, the other women came at sunrise. The fact is that Sunday morning no angel could have rolled away the stone, because he was already rolled away. So this could only have happened late on the Sabbath (end of the Sabbath or after the end of the Sabbath) when the new day begins (dawn Luke 23:54 has the same Greek word and is translated "drew on"). According to Jewish calendar and the bible (Gen:1 evening and morning) this is the twilight ( 3 stars have to be seen) of Saturday evening, a fixt time the bible gives us. And then Jesus was already risen. The Sunday resurrection is a fraud of the early Roman Church, that began already after the death of the Apostle John at begin of the second century AD. Their was a controversy with the Church of Minor Asia (Polycarp who was a disciple of John) and the Roman Church, which prevailed through their earthly power. One of the first authors of connecting the Sunday resurrection with the worship on Sunday was Justin the Martyr in his First Apology chapter 67 (about 150 AD). Interesting is that he relates to the Sunday also as the day of the Sun (not Son). More worse is Ter tullian: "Others, with greater regard to good manner, it must be confessed, suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is a well-known fact that we pray towards the east, or because we "make" Sunday a day of festivity" (197 AD From Website ST. Justin Martyr described Sunday Worship- Christian Forum)
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:09 AM
 
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Greek has a word for week...
Could you show us the use of that word in the New Testament?
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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Luke 24 v 1 On the first day of the week,.......[ one of the Sabbaths of dawn ]

Luk 24:1 And the first of the sabbaths, while still very early, they came on the tomb, carrying spices which they prepared; and some were with them.


However, If one notices the rest of the Letters, it shows that they still attended the Synagogue...Even the Gentiles attended along with the believing Jew...There are external text that support this...
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:29 AM
 
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Could you show us the use of that word in the New Testament?
Here is the word for 'WEEK'=> εβδομάδα (n.)
Here is the word for 'Sabbath, saturday'=> σάββατον


G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.


H7676
שׁבּת
shabbâth
shab-bawth'
Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.



H7620
שׁבעה שׁבע שׁבוּע
shâbûa‛ shâbûa‛ shebû‛âh
shaw-boo'-ah, shaw-boo'-ah, sheb-oo-aw'
Properly passive participle of H7650 as a denominative of H7651; literally sevened, that is, a week (specifically of years): - seven, week.


H7651
שׁבעה שׁבע
sheba‛ shib‛âh
sheh'-bah, shib-aw'
From H7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication a week; by extension an indefinite number: - (+ by) seven ([-fold], -s, [-teen, -teenth], -th, times). Compare H7658.


H7658
שׁבענה
shib‛ânâh
shib-aw-naw'
Prolonged for the masculine of H7651; seven: - seven.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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Grk4521  / sab-bat-on(noun): Sabbath day Freq 68
Heb#:7676 שבת / sha-bat (noun): CeasingA stopping of work or activity; An activity curtailed before completion. The seventh day of the week (often translated as Sabbath) when all business ceases for rest and celebration.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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Here is the word for 'WEEK'=> εβδομάδα (n.)
Here is the word for 'Sabbath, saturday'=> σάββατον


G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself);by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Tell me why no Greek word for week is used in the New Testament! If you know then you know your cornered by your claim. And you know I was right when I explained the usage of the Greek word was to indicate the first day of the time between 2 Sabbaths. Look at the definition for the Greek word that is used in the passage your trying to claim does not say "week". You must consider the context and usage of the word to arrive at which meaning is applicable.

I noticed you tried to deflect attention by posting a list of Hebrew words for seven and such but you made a claim about Greek and I am asking for you back up your claim.

You see Richard there is a reason why you have never been asked to help translate scripture and why many who are well educated in Greek have been.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:42 PM
 
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Reply post # 53 'twilight'

Today we only think of the 'twilight time of the evening', but there is also the reverse that is true of the 'twilight time of the morning '.
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Old 03-18-2013, 03:23 AM
 
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Tell me why no Greek word for week is used in the New Testament! If you know then you know your cornered by your claim. And you know I was right when I explained the usage of the Greek word was to indicate the first day of the time between 2 Sabbaths. Look at the definition for the Greek word that is used in the passage your trying to claim does not say "week". You must consider the context and usage of the word to arrive at which meaning is applicable.

I noticed you tried to deflect attention by posting a list of Hebrew words for seven and such but you made a claim about Greek and I am asking for you back up your claim.

You see Richard there is a reason why you have never been asked to help translate scripture and why many who are well educated in Greek have been.
Obviously they weren't talking about a week or they would have used the Greek word for week...The Greek word Sabbaton comes from the Hebrew word for Sabbath, which means the seventh day so also Sabbaton means the seventh day, just because Strongs throws the word week into the definition does not mean it is accurate...Hebrew has a word for a calandar week as Classical or even Attic Greek, which is were Koine Greek mostly comes from, has...Which is εβδομάδα (n.)...The word for first is πρώτα...The word for day is ημέρα...So, go do your research...
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