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Old 01-31-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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Last I checked, scriptures only mentions man...unless there are other homo sapiens elsewhere?

Think about this....hypothetically, maybe they decided not to eat from their typological TOK, and instead, chose to live forever

 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:34 AM
 
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Don't lose sight of the fact that from another perspective the entire universe is just one tiny speck it's own self.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 04:55 AM
 
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doeable, you mustn't just blandly assume that we're necessarily limited to the speed of light,. There may well be time-and-space warp points (worm holes, as they are identified in science and science fiction). Such openings might well afford us the ability to leap across the universe at will.

In addition, a French astrophysicist and his colleagues a few years ago claim (in a published paper) to have, briefly, accelerated an elemental particle past the speed of light. Like all good science hypotheses, it's currently under review, perhaps at that danged LHC "thingy", and this work may shed new light on hyper-space travel speeds. After all, Einstein has been shown to wrong, or at least limited, on several of his conclusions.

I mean, what if, huh? Then you could pop over and visit your Aunt Flora and Uncle Fauna in outer Galaxia V for the weekend.

(BTW, scientists have only been able to see hints, as in shadows, or consequential gravitational wobbles in the suns they are observing, of planets that seem to be approximately the right size and distance from approximately similar-sized and similar-output suns to ours. This potentially means they might be able to support life, if conditions are OK (an atmosphere, water, good light, etc.). Or not.

But statistics would suggest that, if life arose out of chaos, so might other life, somewhere else. It might not even be DNA based, which would be fascinating, since it still would have to be capable of Evolution if it were to survive the inevitable changes that occur after the birth of a new planet. This is another ignored argument for Evolution: if we were just a static, non-evolving set of fixed organisms, we'd have been long gone.

i.e: No adaptability built in? Poof: extinct with the dinosaurs. We necessarily had to be adaptable little rodents for sure!

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were along way away from opening up any worm holes,let alone being able to controll where they can take you,but yes there are theory's there,but still well in the stage of theory.

as for the particle goin faster than light,ive seen these huge machines that propell mere particles and get them to smash off each other and stuff,now imagine what machine you need to propell a ship,at that speed,i do find it interesting that it went faster than light,since nothins supposed to go faster,although they say when the big bang started it was first accelerating faster than light.

but yeah the likeliness of life on other planets far outgrows the likeliness of no-life.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 04:57 AM
 
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Don't lose sight of the fact that from another perspective the entire universe is just one tiny speck it's own self.
boggles the mind dont it,
 
Old 02-01-2011, 05:07 AM
 
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alot of christians seem to beleive that we are the only life in our entire universe,and thats fine,but im just wondering why,

is it because it is not written in the bible that their is life on other planets???,their are also no mention of dinosaurs in the bible yet they did exist.

or is it just too far fetched to beleive in aliens??,i actually beleive that its far fetched not to beleive in life on other planets and galaxys,

or is it out of fear????fear that we will be threatened and overrun bye them,but we are so far away that it could be immposible to reach each other,and galaxys are moving away from each other faster and faster,so time is against us,unless we develope a wormholer!although their have been many sightings from many people over the years,maybe we have neighbours,but there more afraid of us!
 
Old 02-01-2011, 08:56 AM
 
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were along way away from opening up any worm holes,let alone being able to controll where they can take you,but yes there are theory's there,but still well in the stage of theory.

as for the particle goin faster than light,ive seen these huge machines that propell mere particles and get them to smash off each other and stuff,now imagine what machine you need to propell a ship,at that speed,i do find it interesting that it went faster than light,since nothins supposed to go faster,although they say when the big bang started it was first accelerating faster than light.

but yeah the likeliness of life on other planets far outgrows the likeliness of no-life.
Wormholes
True, we're a long way from opening or using wormholes as a means of transporting through space. There's no confirmation yet that wormholes do in fact exist. Currently, it's thought that if they do exist, it's likely it's likely it would be at quantum scales - very tiny indeed.

But let's assume we could develop the technology to harness wormholes, expand them in size, stabilze them long enough to slip through, and figure out a way to use them to travel back and forth between two specific points. Moving through wormholes doesn't mean a spaceship would have to accelerate faster than light speed. They would simply provide a shortcut through the 'fabric' of space-time rather than going the long pokey way to get to a particular destination.

Light Speed vs Big Bang Inflation
Just a brief comment about light speed and the Big Bang. While the behavior of the initial inflation of the universe could well have been much faster than the speed of light, that doesn't mean that all the 'stuff' within the universe must behave in the same way. It not really so much a matter of the behavior of stuff in the universe, but probably has more to do with the behavior of forces. If 'Dark Energy' exerts a repulsive force causing the space of the universe to expand, then it could represent something that's able to behave faster than light speed.

Earthlike Planets
I think it helps to understand what is meant by discovering earthlike planets orbiting other stars. It doesn't mean any of these planets that have been detected so far can or do contain any lifeforms. It only means there are other planets that are rocky planets, some of which also contain the spectral signature of water and other elements. In other words, these rocky planets are not gas giants. For a comparison, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and of course, Earth, are all examples of rocky planets. Of the rocky planets discovered so far, they probably aren't places you'd want to go live on.

That said, just within the galaxy alone, it's possible that at least some stars have planets that not only harbor forms of life, but perhaps complex lifeforms that are intelligent. So far though, we have no direct evidence of any lifeforms outside of the Earth. Mars may yet show that bacterial life once existed there, maybe still does. It looks like conditions there might have been sufficient in the distant past to allow for microbial forms of life to start, but so far, no direct evidence. What we know so far, is that Mars contains water, and it contains certain organic molecules. These things seem to be pretty abundant throughout the solar system and around the galaxy and are necessary for life as we know it. It doesn't mean because such properties exist that life must also exist. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that life doesn't exist either. But the more we look at what's around beyond the Earth, the greater the the odds look that life could indeed exist elsewhere in the solar system, in the galaxy, and the universe.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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Wormholes
True, we're a long way from opening or using wormholes as a means of transporting through space. There's no confirmation yet that wormholes do in fact exist. Currently, it's thought that if they do exist, it's likely it's likely it would be at quantum scales - very tiny indeed.

But let's assume we could develop the technology to harness wormholes, expand them in size, stabilze them long enough to slip through, and figure out a way to use them to travel back and forth between two specific points. Moving through wormholes doesn't mean a spaceship would have to accelerate faster than light speed. They would simply provide a shortcut through the 'fabric' of space-time rather than going the long pokey way to get to a particular destination.

Light Speed vs Big Bang Inflation
Just a brief comment about light speed and the Big Bang. While the behavior of the initial inflation of the universe could well have been much faster than the speed of light, that doesn't mean that all the 'stuff' within the universe must behave in the same way. It not really so much a matter of the behavior of stuff in the universe, but probably has more to do with the behavior of forces. If 'Dark Energy' exerts a repulsive force causing the space of the universe to expand, then it could represent something that's able to behave faster than light speed.

Earthlike Planets
I think it helps to understand what is meant by discovering earthlike planets orbiting other stars. It doesn't mean any of these planets that have been detected so far can or do contain any lifeforms. It only means there are other planets that are rocky planets, some of which also contain the spectral signature of water and other elements. In other words, these rocky planets are not gas giants. For a comparison, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and of course, Earth, are all examples of rocky planets. Of the rocky planets discovered so far, they probably aren't places you'd want to go live on.

That said, just within the galaxy alone, it's possible that at least some stars have planets that not only harbor forms of life, but perhaps complex lifeforms that are intelligent. So far though, we have no direct evidence of any lifeforms outside of the Earth. Mars may yet show that bacterial life once existed there, maybe still does. It looks like conditions there might have been sufficient in the distant past to allow for microbial forms of life to start, but so far, no direct evidence. What we know so far, is that Mars contains water, and it contains certain organic molecules. These things seem to be pretty abundant throughout the solar system and around the galaxy and are necessary for life as we know it. It doesn't mean because such properties exist that life must also exist. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that life doesn't exist either. But the more we look at what's around beyond the Earth, the greater the the odds look that life could indeed exist elsewhere in the solar system, in the galaxy, and the universe.
thanks for taking the time to write this post,

yeah i understand what the wormhole would do,kinda like folding space,like having a peice of paper and drawing a dot on each end,the dots are as far away as possible,but when you fold the paper they become next to each other,yup along way away for that one alright.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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IMO .... It's part of God's will to frustrate the intellegent.

1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”

1 Corinthians 3:20
and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”







Oh yeah, that Paul had some strange ideas, most were throughly grounded in fiction.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 02:55 PM
 
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thanks for taking the time to write this post,

yeah i understand what the wormhole would do,kinda like folding space,like having a peice of paper and drawing a dot on each end,the dots are as far away as possible,but when you fold the paper they become next to each other,yup along way away for that one alright.
Yes, that's one way to describe wormholes. Because these things involve behaviors at the quantum level, it's pretty much speculation as to guess exactly how space works. The main idea is that it wouldn't necessarily require traveling at or greater than light speed. Even though a wormhole might bypass space-time, the distances through it could still be so vastly enormous that it could still take a very, very long time to reach a destination even if you could travel at or near the speed of light... unless wormholes involve quantum entanglement, which might be the case. That would potentially mean almost instant transporting. The amount of energy required to build and use such a system would be mind staggering. I agree, we're a very looooong way from that kind of scenario, if ever.
 
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