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Old 02-01-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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Christians don't understand that the Roman government is the one who started Christianity after they killed all the true saints. They produced the new testament that was designed to keep these new Christians from every becoming sinless saints who preach the true gospel.

Christianity isn't anything like the saints and Jesus were but the followers of the saints who were abanded when their saints were killed, didn't have a chance to fight against the Roman Empire and their new pope, Constantine who orchestrated this false religion to make sure this saint stuff would never happen again.
I do in fact agree that Christianity was polluted within a short period of time. Or more, modified. Some people believe that by 70 AD Jerusalem was "christianized." That's quite a "revolution!"

Still, God is with us. When we walk in Love, we walk in God. And this is still revolutionary, and able to change the world.
I'm hoping for a BIG one soon!

Blessings,
brian
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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I do in fact agree that Christianity was polluted within a short period of time. Or more, modified. Some people believe that by 70 AD Jerusalem was "christianized." That's quite a "revolution!"

Still, God is with us. When we walk in Love, we walk in God. And this is still revolutionary, and able to change the world.
I'm hoping for a BIG one soon!

Blessings,
brian

The only change we're going to see is when the earth's crust is melted by the hot molten lava that will explode from deep within the magma. This will get rid of all the flesh and deception in this world because God will be done revealing his knowledge through us saints. This knowledge was the only reason for this first age to exist and then we'll head to the next age of paradise. This is when we'll start living in our new immortal bodies that will never die again.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:56 PM
 
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All of 'em! Paul doesn't use the word "hell" in his epistles; and the couple of times that "hell" is mentioned, it's not similar to what Jesus talked about.

My point of the OP, is that the Book of Acts (not the epistles written to churches) doesn't have much at all in common with modern Christianity. "Born again," "hellfire and brimstone" and "sinner's prayer" are not to be found in the Book of Acts, the very book which shows the early church "in action."

That's why I see contradictions. Fundamentalists say to follow the Bible. But they don't.

Blessings,
brian
So you are willing to base your theory on symantics and you want to single out one book rather than use the entire Bible? What did Jesus say concerning these questions? The book of Acts shows the trials and tribulations the early church leaders had in that they wanted to do things according to their understand rather than letting the Holy Spirit guide them. I am a fundamentalist and I do follow the Bible. You must understand that we are all at different levels of our walk with the Lord and we must all use the entire Bible in order to grow and not just your four questions.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:00 PM
 
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I do in fact agree that Christianity was polluted within a short period of time. Or more, modified. Some people believe that by 70 AD Jerusalem was "christianized." That's quite a "revolution!"

Still, God is with us. When we walk in Love, we walk in God. And this is still revolutionary, and able to change the world.
I'm hoping for a BIG one soon!

Blessings,
brian
But what kind of Love? The kind of not telling a child no. The kind of not correcting one who is in error. There are many kinds of love that is dangerous if not tempered.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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So you are willing to base your theory on symantics and you want to single out one book rather than use the entire Bible? What did Jesus say concerning these questions? The book of Acts shows the trials and tribulations the early church leaders had in that they wanted to do things according to their understand rather than letting the Holy Spirit guide them. I am a fundamentalist and I do follow the Bible. You must understand that we are all at different levels of our walk with the Lord and we must all use the entire Bible in order to grow and not just your four questions.

Jesus never mentioned the new testament because the Roman government produced it after spending three hundred years killing all the saints. Do you think they would keep the writings unchanged for the followers they deceived? These followers were children of God who were still in their sins and needed the saints for God to give them commands. God commands these children of God to confess and repent of their sins so he can change their DNA and stop them from ever sinning again.

The Bible can't make you sinless and it doesn't speak, listen, see, smell, taste or touch. The Bible is totally useless for a sinner who can't understand the truth. The Romans knew this and that's why they falsified the new testament writings to totally deceive their new Roman Catholic christians.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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Jesus never mentioned the new testament because the Roman government produced it after spending three hundred years killing all the saints. Do you think they would keep the writings unchanged for the followers they deceived? These followers were children of God who were still in their sins and needed the saints for God to give them commands. God commands these children of God to confess and repent of their sins so he can change their DNA and stop them from ever sinning again.

The Bible can't make you sinless and it doesn't speak, listen, see, smell, taste or touch. The Bible is totally useless for a sinner who can't understand the truth. The Romans knew this and that's why they falsified the new testament writings to totally deceive their new Roman Catholic christians.
You do realize that not everyone is Roman Catholic? You also underestimate the Power of the Holy Spirit. What is it in the NT that disagrees with the OT? And you do realize that the NT can be completely reconstructed from the letters and notes of the early church leaders written well before your socalled changing of the word? Do you sin? Careful how you answer.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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So you are willing to base your theory on symantics and you want to single out one book rather than use the entire Bible? What did Jesus say concerning these questions? The book of Acts shows the trials and tribulations the early church leaders had in that they wanted to do things according to their understand rather than letting the Holy Spirit guide them. I am a fundamentalist and I do follow the Bible. You must understand that we are all at different levels of our walk with the Lord and we must all use the entire Bible in order to grow and not just your four questions.
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But what kind of Love? The kind of not telling a child no. The kind of not correcting one who is in error. There are many kinds of love that is dangerous if not tempered.
Hi Robin,
(this'll be my last post till tomorrow since it's late here..)

Fundamentalists will say that we must base our walk on scripture. If that is so, why don't they do things according to it?
Perhaps this is why:

Jesus was the first of the New Adam. His mission was accomplished when He died for our sins on Calvary.
But He was just the start, and so are the revelations of God to mankind.
Just as "turn the other cheek" trumps "an eye for an eye," so too "love your enemies" trumps vengeance. In fact, Love is greater than faith and hope!

I believe what is necessary therefore is for us to "move onwards" in God, and not get "stuck" in Jesus' words which He spoke in the days of His flesh. The early church was already into new understandings of God, and the epistles reflect this. That's why i can believe that all mankind has been justified by Jesus Christ. The disciples couldn't hear that type of message while He was alive, He had to show it to them later on, in the Spirit. And Paul explains it clearly in Romans 5.12-21.

Blessings,
brian
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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You do realize that not everyone is Roman Catholic? You also underestimate the Power of the Holy Spirit. What is it in the NT that disagrees with the OT? And you do realize that the NT can be completely reconstructed from the letters and notes of the early church leaders written well before your socalled changing of the word? Do you sin? Careful how you answer.

The following prophecy was written by Daniel, a prophet of God's who received a message from him through the dreams of King Nebucanezzar, the Babylonian king who had his army destroy Jerusalem and capture many Jews. Most of Daniel's writings were about end time prophesies and this one in particular shows the religion of Christianity that came out of the fourth Kingdom, which was the Roman Empire.

Most people don't realize that the Roman government had a law forbidding the gospel being preached soon after the disciples became sinless saints and preached the same gospel as Jesus did, which is the voice of God. The Romans kept killing the saints until they were all eliminated by the early fourth century. With many followers left, the Romans had to find a way to deceive them so they started the religion of Christianity and changed the writings of some saints they killed to make a falsified new testament. This started the famine of the Word found in a prophecy in Amos 8:11-12.

The beast that Daniel interpreted had a head of gold to describe the Babylonian Empire. The silver chest and arms described the Persia-Medes Kingdom. The bronze belly and thighs was the Greek world rule and the legs of iron was the Roman Empire. This prophecy shows that the feet of iron and clay are the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant churches with all it's denominations.

It shows that iron and clay don't mix very well even though they're in marriage together. Towards the end of this prophecy, you will see that God's Kingdom, which is the created Word of God, will destroy all these Kingdoms at the end of this age. This Word was used to speak through the flesh of the prophets, Jesus and us saints. I have many prophesies to show this end coming and destruction of the earth. This means the earth's crust will melt by hot molten lava, which is the symbolic lake of fire in the book of Revelation.
 
 
Daniel 2
31: "You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening.
32: The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33: its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
34: As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces;
35: then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."
This prophecy shows that the saints were killed by the Roman Empire and that the saints will receive the kingdom after all these earthly kingdoms are destroyed.

Daniel 7
17: `These four great beasts are four kings who shall arise out of the earth.
18: But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, for ever and ever.'
19: "Then I desired to know the truth concerning the fourth beast, which was different from all the rest, exceedingly terrible, with its teeth of iron and claws of bronze; and which devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with its feet;
20: and concerning the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up and before which three of them fell, the horn which had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and which seemed greater than its fellows.
21: As I looked, this horn made war with the saints, and prevailed over them
22: until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given for the saints of the Most High, and the time came when the saints received the kingdom.

23: "Thus he said: `As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:59 PM
 
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Christians don't understand that the Roman government is the one who started Christianity after they killed all the true saints. They produced the new testament that was designed to keep these new Christians from every becoming sinless saints who preach the true gospel.

Christianity isn't anything like the saints and Jesus were but the followers of the saints who were abanded when their saints were killed, didn't have a chance to fight against the Roman Empire and their new pope, Constantine who orchestrated this false religion to make sure this saint stuff would never happen again.
this is probly closer to the truth than most christians will admit.
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:02 PM
 
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So you are willing to base your theory on symantics and you want to single out one book rather than use the entire Bible? What did Jesus say concerning these questions? The book of Acts shows the trials and tribulations the early church leaders had in that they wanted to do things according to their understand rather than letting the Holy Spirit guide them. I am a fundamentalist and I do follow the Bible. You must understand that we are all at different levels of our walk with the Lord and we must all use the entire Bible in order to grow and not just your four questions.
the bible never started or set out to be one book,it is many books,emporer constantine decided to put it into one book,and decided which books to put into it.
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