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Jesus is a mocker .............. shame on you Jesus!
Luke 8:12
Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.
Present day Christianity the way? Nope, Jesus Christ is the way and the Ark of salvation IS for everybody, but not everyone will accept the invitation. It's just not meant to be, and that's the great thing about God's plan for universal salvation. Those who were not chosen by God in this life will be given the opportunity to know Him in the next life. All will be refined and made pure to be in His Presence. So maybe it won't be a pleasant process and some will have to be purified by God's spiritual fire longer than others, but be sure that God has a plan for every single soul that has ever lived. A plan of salvation, not destruction.
I can quote scripture if you'd like, but we've been there, done that.
Super post, Ilene. Super!!
Which leads me to ask if you believe in reincarnation?
Moderator cut: deleted the title of your thread is right on.
Only Noah, his wife, sons, and son's wives were to go on the ark. No mention of making room for anyone else.
Not sure where you gathered all the points you tie into this post.
What Jesus described involved attitudes.
The points are the facts revealed by the Holy Spirit. It is rare privilege to be taught by HIM, but Isaiah 2, states clearly that in the last days God will teach men directly.
Before everyone goes off the deep end and begins reading more into the Noah story than is there, let's back up and examine just WHY Noah and his family were selected for the ark. Yes, the story is a picture of salvation, just as is the story of Lot, but it's also a story of a specific circumstance and a specific man who was specifically selected for a specific reason.
The Noah story begins in Gen. 6. At the very start of that Chapter, we see that the fallen angels had been mating with human women, creating a race of giants. The word "giant" there is the Hebrew word "nephyl," which is only found here in this story and one other time, when the spies are sent into the Promised Land and report back. Every other reference to "giants" in the Bible is a different word which simply means a large person.
The point is that the offspring of fallen angels and humans are what's commonly referred to as "nephillum," and they were part human and part angel. There are many interesting side issues which could be discussed from this, but let's stay focused.
God repented of having made man. Interestingly, that word repented can mean that He was sorry He made them, but it can also mean that He was comforted by that fact as well. Since, He purposed then to destroy the human race, we have to assume He wasn't happy with how things were turning out. And, verse 11 tells us why: Both mankind, and the earth they had dominion over, was "corrupt."
"Corrupt" there is the Hebrew word shacath and it means to spoil, to ruin, to be perverted. In other words, something had spoiled mankind and the earth in a literal sense. What was that "something?"
For the answer, look at Noah.
Noah found favor in the eyes of Lord for three reasons, none of which apparently applied to anyone else alive at the time and which are highlighted in verse 9:
1. Noah was a just man. That means he was an honorable and upright man who was lawful and righteous in his character and behavior.
2. He walked with God, as opposed to walking with anything else. The meaning of that should be apparent.
3. But, here's the most important part: He was "perfect in his generations."
That word "perfect" means that he was whole, intact, sound. In other words, he was undefiled and unspoiled, unlike everyone else who had been "corrupted."
That verse contains two words translated as "generations," but they are from different Hebrew words which help us understand what's going on.
In the first instance, the word "generations" means descendents, geneologies, and it's followed by a colon, which lets us know more is about to come. And, it does. If you read on through verse 9 into 10, the "generations" of Noah are named: His sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth.
In the second use of the word "generations," we find a totally different meaning and, given its position in the text, we know that it applies to Noah and defines HOW he was perfect, that is undefiled and unspoiled.
The word means a group of people living during a period of time.
From this, we can extract the meaning that Noah (and his offspring) were selected for the ark because he was righteous in his conduct, walking in union with the Will of God and because his bloodline was undefiled by the mating of fallen angels and human beings. His may, or may not, have been the only family bloodline uncorrupted by the fallen angels, but he apparently his was apparently the ONLY one which met all three criteria. Given that the world had fallen into violence and disobedience because of that corruption of the human bloodline, it's entirely possible that his family line WAS the only one left!
Here's what was going on:
This mating of fallen angels and human women was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming Messiah. If he could successfully corrupt the human blood line, Jesus could have never been born because it would have involved the literal mating of the Sprit of God with fallen angels, which would, of course, mean that any offspring was corrupt at birth and unsuitable as a perfect sacrifice. His blood would be contaminated with evil.
Consequently, that's why God purposed to destroy all of the human race EXCEPT for Noah. He was preserving the bloodline of the future Messiah. In other words, He prevented Satan from achieving his goal.
So, as you can see, while the ark is a picture of salvation in the broadest sense, it is really something much different in it's particulars and does not apply to us today....maybe.
Since the Nephillum do appear in the Promised Land, well after the flood, some of them apparently survived to continue to create havoc with the human bloodline, but we don't hear of them ever again, so we really don't know. Some Jewish scholars believe the corrupted bloodline still exists, though without another infusion of angelic blood, the offspring have gradually gotten smaller and smaller until they're no longer recognizable from the rest of us. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, it goes a long way toward explaining some people's behavior vis a vis God, doesn't it?
Before everyone goes off the deep end and begins reading more into the Noah story than is there, let's back up and examine just WHY Noah and his family were selected for the ark. Yes, the story is a picture of salvation, just as is the story of Lot, but it's also a story of a specific circumstance and a specific man who was specifically selected for a specific reason.
The Noah story begins in Gen. 6. At the very start of that Chapter, we see that the fallen angels had been mating with human women, creating a race of giants. The word "giant" there is the Hebrew word "nephyl," which is only found here in this story and one other time, when the spies are sent into the Promised Land and report back. Every other reference to "giants" in the Bible is a different word which simply means a large person.
The point is that the offspring of fallen angels and humans are what's commonly referred to as "nephillum," and they were part human and part angel. There are many interesting side issues which could be discussed from this, but let's stay focused.
God repented of having made man. Interestingly, that word repented can mean that He was sorry He made them, but it can also mean that He was comforted by that fact as well. Since, He purposed then to destroy the human race, we have to assume He wasn't happy with how things were turning out. And, verse 11 tells us why: Both mankind, and the earth they had dominion over, was "corrupt."
"Corrupt" there is the Hebrew word shacath and it means to spoil, to ruin, to be perverted. In other words, something had spoiled mankind and the earth in a literal sense. What was that "something?"
For the answer, look at Noah.
Noah found favor in the eyes of Lord for three reasons, none of which apparently applied to anyone else alive at the time and which are highlighted in verse 9:
1. Noah was a just man. That means he was an honorable and upright man who was lawful and righteous in his character and behavior.
2. He walked with God, as opposed to walking with anything else. The meaning of that should be apparent.
3. But, here's the most important part: He was "perfect in his generations."
That word "perfect" means that he was whole, intact, sound. In other words, he was undefiled and unspoiled, unlike everyone else who had been "corrupted."
That verse contains two words translated as "generations," but they are from different Hebrew words which help us understand what's going on.
In the first instance, the word "generations" means descendents, geneologies, and it's followed by a colon, which lets us know more is about to come. And, it does. If you read on through verse 9 into 10, the "generations" of Noah are named: His sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth.
In the second use of the word "generations," we find a totally different meaning and, given its position in the text, we know that it applies to Noah and defines HOW he was perfect, that is undefiled and unspoiled.
The word means a group of people living during a period of time.
From this, we can extract the meaning that Noah (and his offspring) were selected for the ark because he was righteous in his conduct, walking in union with the Will of God and because his bloodline was undefiled by the mating of fallen angels and human beings. His may, or may not, have been the only family bloodline uncorrupted by the fallen angels, but he apparently his was apparently the ONLY one which met all three criteria. Given that the world had fallen into violence and disobedience because of that corruption of the human bloodline, it's entirely possible that his family line WAS the only one left!
Here's what was going on:
This mating of fallen angels and human women was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming Messiah. If he could successfully corrupt the human blood line, Jesus could have never been born because it would have involved the literal mating of the Sprit of God with fallen angels, which would, of course, mean that any offspring was corrupt at birth and unsuitable as a perfect sacrifice. His blood would be contaminated with evil.
Consequently, that's why God purposed to destroy all of the human race EXCEPT for Noah. He was preserving the bloodline of the future Messiah. In other words, He prevented Satan from achieving his goal.
So, as you can see, while the ark is a picture of salvation in the broadest sense, it is really something much different in it's particulars and does not apply to us today....maybe.
Since the Nephillum do appear in the Promised Land, well after the flood, some of them apparently survived to continue to create havoc with the human bloodline, but we don't hear of them ever again, so we really don't know. Some Jewish scholars believe the corrupted bloodline still exists, though without another infusion of angelic blood, the offspring have gradually gotten smaller and smaller until they're no longer recognizable from the rest of us. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, it goes a long way toward explaining some people's behavior vis a vis God, doesn't it?
But you err when you assume that the whole population was made up of offspring of Giants or angels. Are you saying there were no normal people there? And a point of correction, the angels sent down were from God were not fallen angels initially. They were fallen when they rejected to teach the people about God and ended up womanizing. You make good points, but your one wrong assumption that the population was entirely offspring of angels were wrong and it throws everything off. Noah was in fact a descendant of the angels.
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shame on you Jesus!
