John The Baptist: A model Vegetarian and why you should be! (beliefs, dogma)

[Woof]

Originally Posted by Marlbron

Let me see: In the garden the bible says their food was vegetables, but they could have also be eating meat and fish? Hmmmm

I've answered that about 5 times now. Let me try to say the same thing in a different way. Giving someone an apple to eat isn't the same thing as saying that they must only eat apples, right?


I've already pointed out several times that GOD COMMANDED THE ISRAELITES TO EAT MEAT ON SOME OCCASIONS. If He commanded the eating of meat, how could he be against it?

[Marlbron]

Originally Posted by Woof

I've answered that about 5 times now. Let me try to say the same thing in a different way. Giving someone an apple to eat isn't the same thing as saying that they must only eat apples, right?


I've already pointed out several times that GOD COMMANDED THE ISRAELITES TO EAT MEAT ON SOME OCCASIONS. If He commanded the eating of meat, how could he be against it?

That is why I maintain that a little learning is dangerous.

You have refused to hear me out. Why? why does that spirit of error hold you hostage? and I am asking this genuinely.

I have tried to explain to you that after sin in the garden , GOD STOPPED DEALING WITH MAN DIRECTLY! That was why Jesus Christ came to shed his blood. It was not, I repeat not God that commanded those sacrifices, no sir, no again...- these were the works of angels and archangels.

Peace.

[Woof]

Round and round and round you go, then make up fairy tales. Select the parts of the Bible that you like, discard the rest, then invent stories. I guess we're supposed to believe you because you claim to have a special line on the truth.

How is you came to know the "truth" about these matters, again? By reading the parts of the Bible you like, claiming those parts are the inerrant word of God, and then figuring the rest is BS because the good parts say the other parts are bad parts?

By the way, have you studied ancient Hebrew and Aramaic ...... do you know the differences and ambiguities concerning the words translated as God, gods, angels, and demons? Do you know what elohim, YHWH, Shaddai, El, Elah, or Adonai mean?

You should study ABOUT the Bible if you are going to claim to be a teacher, and about its original languages - don't just grab a KJV and read some stuff at random.

[rifleman]

Re: the OP's position on vegetarianism:

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

Nonsense.

From your perspective it is just another form of idol worship you place the idol of vegetarianism up and you bow before it.

You've got that one right, Phazelwood. Just a casual examination of our dentition clearly shows our ancestal roots as meat eaters. Check out those two upper vestigial canine teeth just past our frontal/central incisors!

We developed the brains we have precisely because we became facultative eaters of the highest, purest and most easily digested version of protein available to us: meat. Our brain is the biggest consumer and demander of fats and protein in our bodies: this is physiological & biochemical fact, not speculation.

Without an adequate supply of high quality protein we'd have remained omnivorous browsers, rather than upright carnivores (to better see our surroundings, to survive surprise attacks, and also to spy suitable prey species a long ways off). As well, if you've ever actually hunted wild animals, you'd realize we have some built-in & genetically hard-wired responses to the appearance of game, and of our own innate predatory responses. Hard to deny those genetic mandates! (Watch your pet house-cat when she spots a nearby bird some time. No-one taught her those behaviors!).

Finally, if we all became strictly vegan, the necessary conversion of wild lands into vast mono-cultural agriculture lands would most assuredly decimate any remaining wild habitat that's still undisturbed by man's cultural meddling. The resulting susceptibility to crop plagues (like bacteria or molds or insects) would be disastrous, and the removal of prime habitat for the wild animals would also decimate them. As in: where have the plains grizzly and bison and massive herds of antelope, and other species, all gone?

You got it! Agriculture and habitat removal got 'em all. Hunting and its related meat consumption has no such impact. Now of course, domestic beef sheep and pig farming has also had a major impact, but that's another story.

[Mercury Cougar]

Believers should be vegan? I think that's a terrific idea. It leaves more delicious juicy meat for the rest of us.

[Mike555]

Acts 10:9 'And on the next day, as they were on their way, and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10] And he became hungry, and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11] and he beheld the sky opened up, and a certain object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground , 12] and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.

13] And a voice came to him, ''Arise, Peter, kill and eat!'' 14] But Peter said, 'By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.'' 15] And again a voice came to him a second time, ''What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.'' 16] And this happened three times; and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

Three times God had to tell Peter to eat the original 'Pigs in a blanket.'

[garya123]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Acts 10:9 'And on the next day, as they were on their way, and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10] And he became hungry, and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11] and he beheld the sky opened up, and a certain object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground , 12] and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.

13] And a voice came to him, ''Arise, Peter, kill and eat!'' 14] But Peter said, 'By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.'' 15] And again a voice came to him a second time, ''What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.'' 16] And this happened three times; and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

Three times God had to tell Peter to eat the original 'Pigs in a blanket.'

A good one for sure. I'll take a pig in the blanket any day.

[Woof]

Originally Posted by Mike555

Acts 10:9 'And on the next day, as they were on their way, and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10] And he became hungry, and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11] and he beheld the sky opened up, and a certain object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground , 12] and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.

13] And a voice came to him, ''Arise, Peter, kill and eat!'' 14] But Peter said, 'By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.'' 15] And again a voice came to him a second time, ''What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.'' 16] And this happened three times; and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

Three times God had to tell Peter to eat the original 'Pigs in a blanket.'

Lol ..... and notice God seems to have been teasing him a bit. Probably just as poor hungry Peter was about to finally grab something to kill and eat, it all gets snatched away out of reach.

[saved33]

Originally Posted by mike555

acts 10:9 'and on the next day, as they were on their way, and approaching the city, peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10] and he became hungry, and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11] and he beheld the sky opened up, and a certain object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground , 12] and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air.

13] and a voice came to him, ''arise, peter, kill and eat!'' 14] but peter said, 'by no means, lord, for i have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.'' 15] and again a voice came to him a second time, ''what god has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.'' 16] and this happened three times; and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.

three times god had to tell peter to eat the original 'pigs in a blanket.':d

lol! :d

[BudinAk]

Originally Posted by Marlbron

In the scripture, God says thou shall not kill - that includes killing animals for food. By eating flesh, we encourage others to kill and we are also guilty of murder. .

I guess Jesus was a murderer then. He told the fishermen to cast their net on the other side of their boat, and then they caught hundreds of fish. Jesus conspired with others to murder all those poor fish!




Bud