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I don't have to be a vegetarian. No Christian has to! I don't know who started this new thread. The Lord appointed us to eat meat. He gave us permission to. And we have dominion over the animals. So who am I going to listen to? John or the Lord? I'll listen to the Lord. Thank you.
Additionally, at the garden of Eden, The Almighty God who taught our first parents directly prescribed their diet to them- fruits and vegetables. I hope you know that after their sin, God left them and dealt with man through intermediaries. Those were the dark ages- when we had laws like 'an eye for an eye' etc. These were repudiated by Christ in his first advent. He said that those that came before him were thieves and robbers. He also confirmed that only him had the true word of the Father. Christ also informed his disciples that he had not taught them everything, because they could not bear it. That when the Comforter comes, he would teach man everything. It means that the comforter would come with 'new' teachings as well as glorifying Christ. Today that comforter has arrived to dwell with man as foretold by Isaiah and confirmed by Christ.
They offered him two items broiled fish and honeycomb bread. Guess what he took? The honeycomb. The prophecy of Immanuel went further to specify his diet as vegetarian, stating that it was necessary for him to refuse evil. Isaiah 7
If you refer to the temptation of Christ, the devil asked him to transform stone to bread, not to meat. The devil knows his dietary preferences.
When he was hungry, he wanted to eat the fruit from a tree, where he cursed the tree. He could have asked for some beef or fish.
All through his life, he walked with the so called 'unrighteous' people, does it mean he was unrighteous too? In the old testament we see sacrifices were permitted, but now are you allowed to do that? What was acceptable in the age of darkness would have to be done away with in the age of the light.
The Manna the Israelite received from heaven did not contain animal meal, but had honey and Coriander wafer. Read Exodus 16;31.
I have explained to you the spiritual implication of Abel's action which meant he had to be killed. Its the truth from the Holy Spirit, when you kill an animal anywhere, you have killed a man. These animals are also your brothers and were not offered to you as food from the beginning. As we go back to purity, we need to practice holiness and abstain from ungodly acts like killing, spilling blood for food. Paul had said earlier that when he was a kid, he spoke as a kid, he acted as a kid, but now he has grown up he has put away childish things.
Daniel experiment was very significant but you demean it by claiming their normal food would have been offered to idols before they eat. I think that that is purely speculation and in real life how practical is that? If they offered all their food to gods would they not offer the vegetables too? Would the gods not be responsible for the yield of their farms? I think your theory does not fit and an attempt to force the issue. The experiment confirms that a persons dietary preferences defines his holiness. Let me restate the verse for you to reconsider.
I want you to think why God only gave these vegetarians the wisdom and understanding far in excess of the others.
I already addressed that.
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We have seen that in the prophecy of Immanuel, the holy one was to not eat flesh, angel Gabriel had told Zachariah that John would be filled with the Holy Ghost from birth and would restrain from Wine or strong drink. John kept to a strict vegan life in his lifetime. So what one eats matters, what one drinks also matters.. that's the truth. That was why Adam and Eve all ate vegan diets as directed by God when they walked in his ways. Paul was also a vegetarian.
Romans 14:21.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
What I am saying in effect is that we should all strive to be vegetarians, but it is a gradual effort, and I acknowledge that not all are meant to practice this doctrine. You are not condemend because you do not practice now, but the knowledge of God is in stages and when you understand the reality of what eating flesh is, you will ask God to help you cross to the vegan side. The practice of vegetarianism is the true teaching of God. It is a show of true love for all God's creation.
Ignoring the rest of what you said, I'll just reply to what you said here. You said the following.
'I have explained to you the spiritual implication of Abel's action which meant he had to be killed. Its the truth from the Holy Spirit, when you kill an animal anywhere, you have killed a man. These animals are also your brothers and were not offered to you as food from the beginning. As we go back to purity, we need to practice holiness and abstain from ungodly acts like killing, spilling blood for food. Paul had said earlier that when he was a kid, he spoke as a kid, he acted as a kid, but now he has grown up he has put away childish things.'
The spiritual implication of what Abel did was that he pleased God by offering an animal sacrifce in accordance with God's instructions. Cain on the other hand presented an offering of fruit which God REJECTED.
No animal is a brother to any man. Nor is there anything ungodly about killing an animal for food. Or about killing in warfare for those who are on the side of right. Or in capital punishment. It is the crime of murder which is prohibited.
Your claim that God the Holy Spirit has told you anything to the contrary is false. You told me in another thread that the Holy Spirit had told you something about the garden of Eden which is not in the Scriptures. That too is not true.
quote If I tell you some of the things that happened in the garden of Eden, of course you'll ask me to provide a link or tell you the portion in scripture The Holy Spirit who has come as promised is the one who teaches me. I have no knowledge of my own!
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You mentioned Paul and so I will mention what Peter said concerning Pauls teachings.
2 Peter 3:15 'and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16] as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
The practice of vegetarianism is the true teaching of God. It is a show of true love for all God's creation.
I agree. Scripture makes that very clear. Not only for us (man) but also for all the animals:
Gen 1:29 And God saith, `Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food;
Gen 1:30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to every creeping thing on the earth, in which is breath of life, every green herb is for food:' and it is so.
This was the original intent of God for both man and animals. Now if I can only get my wife and cat to agree with me on this....
Malbron, you stated "The practice of vegetarianism is the true teaching of God. It is a show of true love for all God's creation."
Are not plants also a part of Gods creation, so in your mind set, one should not even eat plants if you are to show true love for Gods creation.
I find that if a person chooses to be a vegetarian then that is a choice they make,to have to justify it this manner is absurd. One could make the arguement that all life has the right to life and nothing should be killed for consumption, therfore, you will have to filter the air you breath, filter the water you drink for even these carry life forms. Just because plants or vegetables do not get up and walk around doesn't mean they are without life, it doesn't mean that they are exempt from being one of Gods creatures.
The practice of vegetarianism is the true teaching of God. It is a show of true love for all God's creation.
Beautiful.
We're all here in the process of learning.
"Love your neighbor"
People just have different ideas of who their neighbor actually is.
But I think that as we go on and things become clearer and clearer the definition of "neighbor" becomes more and more encompassing.
Until all of creation is included in the definition---
And the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord:
"They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain..."
Why are the animals afraid of us?
They have a reason to be.
For now.
It won't always be this way:
I was once a vegetarian, and now am not. So in every way like yourself. I intend to go back, as I know the benefits. I cannot see a truth and say its not just because I am not practicing it at the moment. Guess, I am preaching to myself!
Amen, Marlbron...
Thank you for pointing that out.
I can surely identify.
I think it's important. Because I think as humans we tend to push away things and justify stuff because we aren't ready yet to walk a different path or give up doing something. Sometimes, things take time. If you (general you) see a truth, or if something speaks to you and you feel you don't have the strength.... take baby steps.
Like with this issue..
Give up one TYPE of meat and slowly keep going.
Don't just turn your head away.
Well, just something to keep in mind.
peace,
sparrow
John the baptist, being a Jew could not be vegetarian. He had to eat lamb for the passover at least once a year. The locusts he ate were the grasshopper type.
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