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Old 02-27-2011, 06:37 AM
 
Location: New England
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How could we be commanded to love our neighbors as we love ourselves...if at the same time we were to view us and them as no good/filthy rags/evil...etc. at all times, huh?
Excellent point ans57

If only we could just stand back with an open mind and contemplate what you are saying here.

It would prove we are missing something somewhere in our understanding of the scripture and most definetly misunderstanding how God see's all mankind.

The more i read on here i am coming to the conclusion that Christianity portrays God as working against himself,and calling his people to be something he is not always being
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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God never tells anyone something different from what's in His word. If whatever you're listening to contradicts His word, it's not from Him.
With all due respect and with the love of Christ for you Stillkit

I must repeat that His Word (Christ)is written in my heart, not in the doctrines and interpretations of man. It was a long and lonely and often an abusing journey through that storm created by the wisdom of man, but I am now at peace and have found that this peace from having endured has removed the guilt and the shame man attempts to place on me in order to remove me from His presence.

As the old hymn says "I shall not be moved"

~~In my Christ abiding, I shall not be moved;
In His love I'm hiding, I shall not be moved,
Just like a tree that's planted by the waters,
Lord, I shall not be moved~~
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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No I am not evil, nor was I born evil, nor was I born tainted...... G-d brings out the best in me and I strive to be all I can be and you don't need to be a Christian to walk in the path of G-d......
So is that belief based on your personal opinion? Or is it based on some higher authority?
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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So is that belief based on your personal opinion? Or is it based on some higher authority?
Campbell it is based on a higher authority and in my Jewish tradition.... So please spare me your further argument because you and I both know we do not agree and since I do not need to prove a truth because I believe we all come to a spiritual place in different ways an argument is wasted time.

You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe and that is the end of it.

Have a wonderful day!
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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With all due respect and with the love of Christ for you Stillkit

I must repeat that His Word (Christ)is written in my heart, not in the doctrines and interpretations of man. It was a long and lonely and often an abusing journey through that storm created by the wisdom of man, but I am now at peace and have found that this peace from having endured has removed the guilt and the shame man attempts to place on me in order to remove me from His presence.

As the old hymn says "I shall not be moved"

~~In my Christ abiding, I shall not be moved;
In His love I'm hiding, I shall not be moved,
Just like a tree that's planted by the waters,
Lord, I shall not be moved~~
Nice post Miss Blue, and oh-so-true. I think your journey has similarities to mine, and like you said it's the peace that God gives us that lets us know that what we believe to be true is, in fact, true for us. Each one of us has our own individual journey and it's simply wrong of some other person to tell us that WE are wrong and they have the only truth.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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With all due respect and with the love of Christ for you Stillkit

I must repeat that His Word (Christ)is written in my heart, not in the doctrines and interpretations of man. It was a long and lonely and often an abusing journey through that storm created by the wisdom of man, but I am now at peace and have found that this peace from having endured has removed the guilt and the shame man attempts to place on me in order to remove me from His presence.

As the old hymn says "I shall not be moved"

~~In my Christ abiding, I shall not be moved;
In His love I'm hiding, I shall not be moved,
Just like a tree that's planted by the waters,
Lord, I shall not be moved~~
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Nice post Miss Blue, and oh-so-true. I think your journey has similarities to mine, and like you said it's the peace that God gives us that lets us know that what we believe to be true is, in fact, true for us. Each one of us has our own individual journey and it's simply wrong of some other person to tell us that WE are wrong and they have the only truth.
Amen my sisters in Christ . . . "we shall not be moved" . . . as we abide with Jesus and His unambiguous "love for God and each of us."
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Are you Evil? We all are and are in dire need of the Lord, are you willing to do what He says or do you claim an unearned free pass? Alot of people claim what is not offered by perverting the offer to suit their desires.

Think about it.
Evil is not to be thought of only in terms of those who commit monstrous acts - a serial killer, a Hitler, etc..., but rather evil is the modus operendi of Satan as the ruler of this world. And as such, evil involves not only sin, but also human good. You might ask how can that which is good be evil. Humanly speaking, if something is good then it's good. But from the absolute standpoint of an infinitely holy God, any good produced by the relative human righteousness of man does not measure up to His standards and must be rejected as evil. The unbeliever can only be seen by God as evil. The believer's freedom from evil on the other hand is dependent upon his doctrinal orientation to divine viewpoint. Although the believer is positionally in union with Jesus Christ and is therefore positionally sanctified, his experiential standing before God, and his freedom from evil, depends upon his freedom from cosmic thinking and his knowledge of divine norms and standards.

Satan incorporates into his cosmic plan the human good of man. Dr. Lewis Sperry Chaffer defined evil so very well. He wrote...'Next to the lie itself, the greatest delusion Satan imposes---reaching to all unsaved and to a large proportion of Christians---is the supposition that only such things as society considers evil could originate with the devil---if, indeed, there be any devil to originate anything. It is not the reason of man, but the revelation of God, which points out that governments, morals, education, art, commercialism, vast enterprises and organizations, and much of religious activity are included in the cosmos diabolicus. That is, the system which Satan has constructed includes all the good which he can incorporate into it and be consistent in the thing he aims to accomplish. A serious question arises whether the presence of gross evil in the world is due to Satan's intention to have it so, or whether it indicates Satan's inability to execute all he has designed. The probability is great that Satan's ambition has led him to undertake more than any creature could ever administer. Revelation declares that the whole cosmos-system must be annihilated ---not its evil alone, but all that is in it, both good and bad.'
Dr. Lewis Sperry Chaffer, Systematic Theology, vol 2, p.100.


To the extent that the believer is ignorant of divine viewpoint thinking, he is caught up in the cosmic doctrines by which Satan has deceived the world, and to that extent, he is evil. The solution to sin is to name the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. But the solution to evil is spiritual growth though the inculcation of the word of God into your soul so that you as a believer can think divine viewpoint.

Following are some examples of cosmic viewpoint thinking and therefore evil. If you are socialistic in your thinking you are evil. If you are a conscientious objector in times of war you are evil. If you approve of sex outside of marriage you are evil. If you are pro-homosexuality you are evil. If you attempt to whitewash the devil's world you are evil. If you believe in bombing abortion clinics you are evil. If you are a Christian activist in any way you are evil. If you are against capital punishment you are evil. Cosmic thinking is evil. Evil is what you think. Not merely what you do.

You need to understand what evil is from the standpoint of divine revelation. Divine viewpoint is good. Cosmc thinking viewpoint is evil. Anything which Satan promotes in opposition to God's plan is evil no matter how right it may seem to you. Proverbs 16:25 'There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

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Old 02-27-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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Evil is not to be thought of only in terms of those who commit monstrous acts - a serial killer, a Hitler, etc..., but rather evil is the modus operendi of Satan as the ruler of this world. And as such, evil involves not only sin, but also human good. You might ask how can that which is good be evil. Humanly speaking, if something is good then it's good. But from the absolute standpoint of an infinitely holy God, any good produced by the relative human righteousness of man does not measure up to His standards and must be rejected as evil. The unbeliever can only be seen by God as evil.
Only the satanic "precepts and doctrines of men" could call good evil (or evil good) and try to justify it. The retention of ancient ignorance and the unbelievably twisted beliefs of humans are the true source of evil in this world.
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Old 02-27-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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If you are against capital punishment you are evil.
There was a lot of weird stuff it that post, Mike, but the above comment was the worst. I feel what you said is evil.
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Old 02-27-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Only the satanic "precepts and doctrines of men" could call good evil (or evil good) and try to justify it. The retention of ancient ignorance and the unbelievably twisted beliefs of humans are the true source of evil in this world.
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There was a lot of weird stuff it that post, Mike, but the above comment was the worst. I feel what you said is evil.
These reactions were not at all unexpected.
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