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hljc · 02-28-2011, 04:12 PM

Titus 3: 3.... In past tense before they came to know the Lord and the love of God .....says ``for we ourselves also were sometime foolish `` this is past tense .... but later verse 4 ``but after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared `` ..... See once they were a sinner but after Jesus coming into their lives and believed and changed their way because God is NOT EVIL and if you have the Holy Spirit you will be like HIM as much as you can and Jesus will help you be like Holy Spirit or Jesus Spirit will back off in er-reverence

ahigherway · 03-01-2011, 12:52 AM

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Titus 3: 3.... In past tense before they came to know the Lord and the love of God .....says ``for we ourselves also were sometime foolish `` this is past tense .... but later verse 4 ``but after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared `` ..... See once they were a sinner but after Jesus coming into their lives and believed and changed their way because God is NOT EVIL and if you have the Holy Spirit you will be like HIM as much as you can and Jesus will help you be like Holy Spirit or Jesus Spirit will back off in er-reverence

Hi hljc,
again, verse 4 says that the love of God appeared "towards man," not "towards those who choose Him."
God loved us wayyy before we ever loved Him!

That is what Finn doesn't understand (yet).

Blessings,
brian

Verna Perry · 03-01-2011, 05:37 AM

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Hi hljc,
again, verse 4 says that the love of God appeared "towards man," not "towards those who choose Him."
God loved us wayyy before we ever loved Him!

That is what Finn doesn't understand (yet).

Blessings,
brian

No Brian...that is what you mis-understand (STILL!) because you continually choose to read "certain" passages out of Scripture out of context.

pcamps · 03-01-2011, 06:05 AM

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Verse 4 says that the love of God appeared "towards man," not "towards those who choose Him."
God loved us wayyy before we ever loved Him!

Blessings,
brian

How can this verse be interpreted any other way but the way you state it.
Romans 5:8 tells us He loved us while we were still sinners.

God is not asking us to prove something to him,only those who misunderstand scriptures from John 15 and scriptures from the letters of John would tell you we must.What God did is what God uses to change a man, he's not beating anyone over the back of the head back to the fold,it's his goodness that leads us towards repentance(Romans 2:4),not our decision to obey him.God answer to everything in life is the appearing of His Son.When the love of God appears to a man, there is only one outcome, you'll never the be same again.The man who wrote most of the epistles will tell you this is true.2 men on the road to Emmaus will testify this is true too, after Jesus made himself known(appeared)to them.

Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?Romans 2:4

I also reject the notion that the bible is for christians,it's only speaking to christians or they own the rights to it. The scriptures are for whosoever.It''s for all races,all religions,all cultures.

Finn_Jarber · 03-01-2011, 06:21 AM

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No Brian...that is what you mis-understand (STILL!) because you continually choose to read "certain" passages out of Scripture out of context.

It's a problem when people cherry pick verses out of context and use creative interpreption just to win an argument. I tried to explain it to Brian in post 10, but it is as if I said nothing at all. There is no point in repeating what has already been said when it is clear there is no desire on Brian's side to see the truth.

pcamps · 03-01-2011, 06:51 AM

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Sounds to me like "the saving" was already done 2,000 years ago!

I know that some of you believe that God has given His Spirit unto the entire world already.

Your thoughts?

Blessings!
brian

I agree with you and so does the scripture "It is Finished" John 19:30

Cyber Munchkin · 03-01-2011, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Verna Perry

No Brian...that is what you mis-understand (STILL!) because you continually choose to read "certain" passages out of Scripture out of context.

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It's a problem when people cherry pick verses out of context and use creative interpretation just to win an argument. I tried to explain it to Brian in post 10, but it is as if I said nothing at all. There is no point in repeating what has already been said when it is clear there is no desire on Brian's side to see the truth.

Hopefully one day people will ALLOW God to do and get through their carnal minds with His thoughts, interpretations....

What a day of rejoicing that will be....

pcamps · 03-01-2011, 07:31 AM

Well i hope the Christian one day understands that when Christ died so did he, when Christ was buried so was he, when Christ rose so did he,and when he ascended on high so did he. Now if this is true, then Salvation was accomplished 2000 years ago, while we were in him, this leads me to ask who was in him?.

For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.(1 Cor 15:22).Hands up who was in Christ 2000 years ago, i know i was.

So to answer the question to the hymn, "Were you there when they crucified my Lord ?", my answer is a resounding yes, along with the rest of mankind.

ahigherway · 03-01-2011, 08:08 AM

So did Jesus Christ die for the sin of the world, or only believers?
Verses 4-s tell me that He saved us while we were sinners. That means before anyone knew about "choosing Christ." See also Eph 2.

Aiui.....

Blessings,
brian

ahigherway · 03-01-2011, 08:20 AM

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Well i hope the Christian one day understands that when Christ died so did he, when Christ was buried so was he, when Christ rose so did he,and when he ascended on high so did he. Now if this is true, then Salvation was accomplished 2000 years ago, while we were in him, this leads me to ask who was in him?.

For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.(1 Cor 15:22).Hands up who was in Christ 2000 years ago, i know i was.

So to answer the question to the hymn, "Were you there when they crucified my Lord ?", my answer is a resounding yes, along with the rest of mankind.

Beautiful words, pcamps! Makes me want to sing!

Amen.. we were buried with Him and we rose with Him.. I see you've been digging into Romans 5 again!

All mankind was put into Adam, so that all mankind would be put into Christ. Only HE gets the glory folks!

Jesus rebooted mankind!

Blessings!
brian