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Old 03-24-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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Would you like to open the thread about Moses?

Read 2 Peter 2:4 again
I know what 2 Peter says 2:4 says FJ.It is not saying what you think it is saying.

Judgement is going to be severe for many,God is going to burn up all that is not of him, including all that is not of him in the "i believe in Jesus and the bible and once saved always saved christians"too.

Did truth come through Moses or through Jesus Christ ?.

Why do you think it did not say just say grace came through Jesus Christ instead of grace and truth came through him ?
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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Did someone argue something about Job???

No, you brought it up in order to distract and drail the topic, and now you pretend someone argued it. No, no one except you said anything about Job. Can you open a new thread about Job?

I didn't write the Bible either, yet it clearly says what God did.
God does not destroy, He uses satan to destroy.
What you quote was a verse where it says that "God destroyed sodom" but doesn't say how. So you added your own carnal interpretation that God destroys, and not satan.

But satan comes to destroy. If you believe the Bible, then you believe this.


Blessings Finn,
brian
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:06 AM
 
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I know what 2 Peter says 2:4 says FJ.It is not saying what you think it is saying.

Judgement is going to be severe for many,God is going to burn up all that is not of him, including all that is not of him in the "i believe in Jesus and the bible and once saved always saved christians"too.

Did truth come through Moses or through Jesus Christ ?.

Why do you think it did not say just say grace came through Jesus Christ instead of grace and truth came through him ?
Both, why? Was Moses a liar now? Did he not have the Truth given to him through the Law?
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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"Now, if Christ had not come into the world, there would have been no redemption. And if Christ had not risen from the dead, or broken the bands of death that the grave should have no victory,
and that death should have no sting, there would have been no resurrection. But there is a resurrection, therefore, the grave has no victory; and the sting of death is swallowed up in Christ."


Of course if you ignore the rest of the Bible, you can believe that all are saved. However we read in Matthew 25:41 Jesus speaking. "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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God does not destroy, He uses satan to destroy.
What you quote was a verse where it says that "God destroyed sodom" but doesn't say how. So you added your own carnal interpretation that God destroys, and not satan.

But satan comes to destroy. If you believe the Bible, then you believe this.


Blessings Finn,
brian
Umm, there are 58 verses in the OT talking about God personally destroying. Type in I WILL DESTROY and see what you come up with. Here is the link for you:Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV then tell me He doesn't...
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:25 AM
 
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Umm, there are 58 verses in the OT talking about God personally destroying. Type in I WILL DESTROY and see what you come up with. Here is the link for you:Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV then tell me He doesn't...
Well i guess there is some misunderstanding somewhere. The scriptures tell us that TRUTH came through Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ told us(you and I), that it is the devil that came to steal kill and destroy, not him, he came to save life not destroy it.When did the devil show up to steal kill and destroy ?, we also know he tried to destroy the child Jesus, why ? Because he knew Jesus came to destroy him who was destroying life. So what are we to believe ?
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:27 AM
 
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Well i guess there is some misunderstanding somewhere. The scriptures tell us that TRUTH came through Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ told us(you and I), that it is the devil that came to steal kill and destroy, not him, he came to save life not destroy it.When did the devil show up to steal kill and destroy ?, we also know he tried to destroy the child Jesus, why ? Because he knew Jesus came to destroy him who was destroying life. So what are we to believe ?
And now you know why Mystic believes satan is Jehovah, or something to that effect.

Do you, as well?
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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And now you know why Mystic believes satan is Jehovah, or something to that effect.

Do you, as well?
No i believe the TRUTH as well as grace came through Jesus Christ and the law was given by Moses.

Do you believe Jesus was lying when he said "it's the devil that came to steal kill and destroy", or do you think Jesus had never read the scriptures and missed it where it said God was doing the destroying ?. It's a shame he never had a search engine at his disposal like us.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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Umm, there are 58 verses in the OT talking about God personally destroying. Type in I WILL DESTROY and see what you come up with. Here is the link for you:Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV then tell me He doesn't...
You're 100% correct!

But the scriptures do not tell us how God destroys. There is a difference.
God is the Commander, but satan is the tool for destroying. Satan is called "the waster" in your bible. It is satan's job to destroy, not God's. God is a healer, a restorer.


Blessings,
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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You're 100% correct!

But the scriptures do not tell us how God destroys. There is a difference.
God is the Commander, but Satan is the tool for destroying. Satan is called "the waster" in your bible. It is Satan's job to destroy, not God's. God is a healer, a restorer.


Blessings,
brian
So, by your OWN words, God is the Commander, right? So, God commanding Satan to destroy does not mean God Himself caused the destruction? Is this now plausible deniability?

God says He will destroy. Does it matter the 'tool' for the destruction?
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