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Old 03-22-2011, 09:00 PM
 
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I agree those who love talking about it, are uncomfortable with the hold on talking about it.
The rule is in place because some people are uncomfortable hearing the truth. Some lost coins do not want to be found, and even when the light is offered to them, they refuse to accept it because they love the darkness.
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Old 03-22-2011, 09:18 PM
 
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The rule is in place because some people are uncomfortable hearing the truth. Some lost coins do not want to be found, and even when the light is offered to them, they refuse to accept it because they love the darkness.

What is that truth ?

I love it how you think putting stumbling blocks in front of the Good Shepherd will stop him from seeking AND saving the lost.Choice ? pftt, Sin ? pftt.

About noon as I came near Damascus, SUDDENLY a bright light from heaven flashed around me.Acts 22:6

It's God seeking us friend,we might be leaving a bar after last orders, we might be on our way to Damascus to drag christians back to Jerusalem to be punished,we might be in any given scenario, then SUDDENLY God apprehends us.

Yet in our own deceitful hearts we still believe we found our way out of being lost in darkness by choice.

PS i cannot wait for the rule to be lifted, i believe the Lord is going destroy the doctrine of ET, when it's been lifted.
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Old 03-22-2011, 09:35 PM
 
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Some lost coins do not want to be found, and even when the light is offered to them, they refuse to accept it because they love the darkness.
No coins, just change!
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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...i believe the Lord is going destroy the doctrine of ET, when it's been lifted.
ET is simply a test being used by God to see who actually trusts in His power to perform what He said He wills to do, namely:

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

In many ways this test is similar to that spoken to Sarah. Like Sarah, most will laugh, and like Sarah did also, they'll deny it when they stand before Jesus:

Gen 18:13 And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
Gen 18:14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD ? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
Gen 18:15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:41 AM
 
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Yea i have considered all what you think those verses are saying, i too was sold out to what i thought they meant for a number of years, just accepting what was traditionally taught they meant.Welcome to the forum by the way. If you search through the forum, you will find plenty of threads about what you think those verses are saying, many are no longer open to share on them though, but plenty of food for thought in them. Discussing eternal torment is taboo on the forum at the moment.

Peace to you too.

No greater evil than Eternal Torment
ROFL....my first post and it gets deleted...not an auspicious beginning. Not sure if I am allowed to say this but for the record, I am in no way a proponent of eternal torment. Nor for UR, so that leaves....

Peace
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:58 AM
 
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Back to the OP, as I was thinking about the parable of the lost coins, it occurred to me that the woman, who some here claim represents Jesus; however I am more inclined to think she represents the church; see Jer. 6:2 and Eph. 5:25...the woman's husband would be Jesus, the lost coins would be precious souls for which the church is responsible therefore it is the church who must never give up on searching for those members who are lost. The lamp would represent the Bible (Psalm 119:105)
The lost coin is at home. A backslid Christian, like the coin, more often is unaware of his lost condition; he is still in the church,(like the Laodicean, knows not that he is blind and naked) he may still pay tithes, and saying Lord, Lord, but his relationship is severed because of sin. The word of God brings light to his true condition, and should he recognise this, he will repent and be restored, hence joy in heaven.

The lost sheep is outside the fold, or outside the household. He knows he is lost.Severed from the fold and the shepherd, and is helpless.

There is a wider application to the coin parable. Rather than just a local church, it could apply to the world itself, where the church is responsible and accountable to God for sharing the love of Christ through the gospel message with all.
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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It's God seeking us friend,we might be leaving a bar after last orders, we might be on our way to Damascus to drag christians back to Jerusalem to be punished,we might be in any given scenario, then SUDDENLY God apprehends us.
Or you might be leaving a bar with a prostitute and SUDDENLY get hit by a bus and die. There are people do die before getting saved. It is a fact whether or not you believe it.

So, who did Jesus leave behind when He went to look for the lost sheep? Some say it was the angels, the ones who never sinned, and they were left in heaven aka the mountains when Jesus came to earth to look for us, the lost sheep.
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:36 AM
 
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FJ

They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"John 8:33.

These ^^^^ are the 99 sheep left behind, the 9 coins not lost, the brother who never squandered his Father's inheritance.They might as well have said, how can you say we are lost as well as "how can you say that we shall be set free".
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:39 AM
 
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FJ What do you actually believe about Jesus "Seeking AND Saving the lost"?, it appears you believe he seeks and hopes to save, rather than seeks AND saves.
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:44 AM
 
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They heard, but did not understand. That's what 'not hear' means.
Not true.
The first account clearly says that they "heard a voice." This was Luke's account (if indeed he is the writer of Acts).
Paul later stated that they "didn't hear" the voice. This was Paul's account. Completely different.

You are adding your interpretation to what is written. If the meaning was "not understand" then that is what would have been written (imo..).


But I love you all the same!

Blessings,
brian
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