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YOU cannot become eligible for salvation. Salvation is a Gift, and not something YOU can become qualified for.
Wrong. Show me the verse that says salvation if a gift.
Justification through His Blood is the gift of Grace. We put His righteousness on, like a robe dipped in blood. The Father doesn't see the sin we resided in, because He sees the Son IN us.
But to think that salvation is, in itself, the gift?? You are mistaken. Read Romans 5 alittle closer.
I would argue that Faith is the Gift given to those who seek Him.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christmight be given to them that believe.
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith;
For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
Wrong. Show me the verse that says salvation if a gift.
Justification through His Blood is the gift of Grace. We put His righteousness on, like a robe dipped in blood. The Father doesn't see the sin we resided in, because He sees the Son IN us.
But to think that salvation is, in itself, the gift?? You are mistaken. Read Romans 5 alittle closer.
I would argue that Faith is the Gift given to those who seek Him.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christmight be given to them that believe.
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, [let us prophesy] according to the proportion of faith;
For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
We are, of course, reading that verse differently.
Through faith, not of ourselves, but of God's gift,,,OF faith.
I'm just reading it according to how Paul meant it according to the Greek. However, just tell me what part you think is not the gifts and which parts are. We can then debate from there.
I'm just reading it according to how Paul meant it according to the Greek. However, just tell me what part you think is not the gifts and which parts are. We can then debate from there.
Umm, faith is the gift. Not repentance. How in the heck can repentance be a gift?
Did John the Baptist tell the Pharisees,,,come here,,have a gift so you can stop walking in your evil ways. Nope. He said "REPENT(ACTION), for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand."
That isn't God's action, it is ours, after we have faith in Him with a pure heart. The faith was the gift. And every man is measured, because the Spirit has been poured out on ALL mankind, so there is no excuse.
Umm, faith is the gift. Not repentance. How in the heck can repentance be a gift?
Did John the Baptist tell the Pharisees,,,come here,,have a gift so you can stop walking in your evil ways. Nope. He said "REPENT(ACTION), for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand."
That isn't God's action, it is ours, after we have faith in Him with a pure heart. The faith was the gift. And every man is measured, because the Spirit has been poured out on ALL mankind, so there is no excuse.
Let me put it this way. Suppose I walk into an auditorium filled with people and ask them "Who BELIEVES I can jump 40 feet into the air, please raise your hand". I look around and nobody raises their hand. Nobody believes right. But then I tell them "WATCH" and I then proceed to jump 40 feet into the air and come back down and land softly on my own two feet. I then ask the people "Who BELIEVES I can jump 41 feet into the air, pleas raise your hand". I look around and everyone is raising their hand. What happened? Did their belief come from within them? Or did I give them BELIEF by jumping into the air?
You see many will answer incorrectly that the belief came from themselves but the FACT remains that had I not jumped 40 feet into the air they would still be in disbelief. So the power for them to believe that I could jump 40 feet into the air was in my hands.
Now there is no doubt that the conscience decision to believe what they were see was Truth came from the person but that person is acting on the principles of LOGIC and REASON to conclude from their observations that something was TRUE.
So we all know that LOGIC itself along with REASON are God created mental abilities that are part of the normal functioning brain. We use these attributes everyday just to guide a car down the street.
So understand that God is the giver of our new heart, our faith, our repentance and ultimately our salvation no matter how much we process those gifts for even the processing of the gifts is a gift from God.
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