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Old 04-02-2011, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Take heed people....
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! (Galatians 1:8)

Oh, Satan and his demons has a tongue and know that Jesus is Lord..... and one day will confess His Lordship and that Jesus is Lord of ALL, everything created.

DON'T BE FOOLED !!.
Yes, even their knees will bend and they will confess, and then they will be judged along with unbelievers.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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lets look at this in simple terms,there are 2 concepts being portrayed here:

1-God is going to burn people forever.
2-God is going to share His glory with ALL that exists.

its pretty easy to see which one of those comes from a Supreme Being that IS the essence of pure transendental LOVE itself.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:13 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Twin in your OP you really did not give a reason why you believed Universalism has failed like the title of the thread suggests, you just gave a reason why you do not believe in it. Can you give a reason why you believe it has.
pcamps,


The reason it has failed is because when taking scriptures in totality
  1. "all" in 1 Tim 2:4 is being incorrectly applied
  2. "every knee will bow" is being assumed that that is done by confession of faith
  3. The failure to reconize that it takes the subjective justification to be saved ... not the objective
  4. The double standards ...
    • you can't have "eternal life" as being "eternal", but not "eternal damnation" be "eternal"..or forever and ever (you know what I mean)
The biggest reasons ...... the end result.
There is no urgency to the message to come to faith in this lifetime
There is no (eternal) accountability for unbelief \ rejection

If there is no requirement for faith to be saved (while alive) ... then that is equilivant in saying God has two plans for salvation:
  1. for the here and now
  2. for the "in case you missed it"
That (#2) is the lie which Satan promotes and appeals to human sense of fairness


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Old 04-02-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Somewhere
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Same difference, really. Yes, everyone knows that everyone today is not saved. All one needs to do is look around, and it is clear that there are people who do not believe. It is that very claim that everyone WILL be save I am talking about. It is same as telling someone that if they jump off a high-rise, there is nothing to worry about, because they won't die.
The claim that Everyone WILL BE saved is in complete harmony with God's Word - after all, He is the one that established the decree.

And not it isn't the same thing as telling someone that jumps off a high-rise that they wont die. It is telling someone that jumps off a high-rise you will die but eventually be raised again.

That which is eternal IS good that which is NOT good is finite.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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Yes, even their knees will bend and they will confess, and then they will be judged along with unbelievers.
Yes, every creature will bow the knee before Jesus Christ, when He returns and every creature will confess His Lordship of every thing created since the beginning of time, for He is Lord of all lords, King of all kings, and Mighty God of all gods... and those like you said, will be judged according to their confession in this life whether they believed or rejected His precious gift of salvation.... amen !!
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The claim that Everyone WILL BE saved is in complete harmony with God's Word - after all, He is the one that established the decree.

And not it isn't the same thing as telling someone that jumps off a high-rise that they wont die. It is telling someone that jumps off a high-rise you will die but eventually be raised again.

That which is eternal IS good that which is NOT good is finite.
This is SO against everything the Bible teaches!!!! Where does Jesus say you will die, but will be fine in the end?!?!?
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:30 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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Yes, every creature will bow the knee before Jesus Christ, when He returns and every creature will confess His Lordship, for He is Lord of all lords, King of all kings, and Mighty God of all gods... and those like you said, will be judged according to their confession in this life whether they believed or rejected His precious gift of salvation.... amen !!
The deception is to believe that saying "i believe in Jesus" is the confession.

Our confession is who we are.


The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in himMatt 12 :35
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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Yes, even their knees will bend and they will confess, and then they will be judged along with unbelievers.
ALL Shall bend their knees and ALL shall confess TO THE GLORY OF GOD. That is quite a bit different then what many preach. Many preach that some will be left in hell and curse God for the rest of eternity.

Obviously the fact that ALL shall confess that Jesus is Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD is contradicting those claims.

Furthermore, the scriptures show that NOBODY can confess that Jesus is Lord except they have the Holy Spirit.

The is irrefutable proof that ALL shall eventually be saved.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Notice that Php 2:10 is showing that every knee is going to bow - ANYWHERE there is a knee it is going to bow - that includes any notion of hell.

And then goes on to show that the same every (notice no broken context) is going to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

So the same knees that are going to bow are the same people that are going to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!!!!

Now notice this verse:

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Did you get that BOLDED PART? These scriptures I just showed are irrefutable proof that from God's Word that He is going to save everyone. For He tells us that EVERY knee will bow no matter where it is and that these same people shall confess that Jesus is Lord. And in another verse He tells us that nobody can say that Jesus is Lord unless they have the Holy Spirit.

So that means that EVERYWHERE, sometime in the future, EVERYONE no matter where they are at, is going to have the Holy Spirit.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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ALL Shall bend their knees and ALL shall confess TO THE GLORY OF GOD. That is quite a bit different then what many preach. Many preach that some will be left in hell and curse God for the rest of eternity.

Obviously the fact that ALL shall confess that Jesus is Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD is contradicting those claims.

Furthermore, the scriptures show that NOBODY can confess that Jesus is Lord except they have the Holy Spirit.
Well, there is a difference in confessing and believing while you live, and having no choice during the white throne judgment. Everyone will see their error and knee down during judgment, just like criminals will stand up in courtroom to hear their sentence. The kneeling and standing up won't buy them a pardon. It is definitely not proof of universal salvation.

Heb 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:57 AM
 
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Well, maybe I should allow you to describe the nature of punishment here. Tell us what kind of punishment do people face for denying God and living in sin all their life. It sounds like you are saying it is severe enough to scare people into belief.
You imply that anyone who does not believe in your God, and does not believe precisely what you believe about the nature of that God, will live a life devoid of goodness. I seriously don't understand how Christians can continue to make this claim. Are you so sheltered from the real world that you do not see that the majority of people, Christian and non-Christian, live lives that are very similar? The same percentage of Christians as non-Christians behave unethically, or are cruel, or gossips, or hateful, or gluttons, or drunks, or cheat on their spouse, or neglect their children, or are selfish and self-centered in an infinite number of ways. Sometimes those things consume their whole lives, sometimes they overcome those things and change ... whether they are Christian or not. Christians are no different than anyone else. How do you not see that?

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Same difference, really. Yes, everyone knows that everyone today is not saved. All one needs to do is look around, and it is clear that there are people who do not believe. It is that very claim that everyone WILL be save I am talking about. It is same as telling someone that if they jump off a high-rise, there is nothing to worry about, because they won't die.
Believe in what though? You say they must believe in your God, your way in order to live a "holy life". It's simply not true. I agree that what people believe is directly responsible for how they behave ... "As a man thinks in his heart, so he is." But if you're really "looking around" and being honest about what you see, then integrity would force you to acknowledge that professing a belief in the God of the Christian Bible is no guarantee of a holy life. Just as NON-belief in that God is no guarantee of a wicked life.
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